On May 21, 6:07*pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.


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Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up the
gain?

On May 22, 3:59*pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:





"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.

"D" wrote in message
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On May 22, 3:59 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

...

Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up
the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.
====

That's a bit of a bugger. I think most people would prefer noisy pictures
than a reduced frame rate. I seems odd that it happens even at normal
interior lighting levels inside a house. I can imagine it happening when
it's really low light (eg outside at dusk or by moonlight) but not in
conditions which will be routinely encountered.

On May 22, 8:56*pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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On May 22, 3:59 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:





"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up
the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.
====

That's a bit of a bugger. I think most people would prefer noisy pictures
than a reduced frame rate. I seems odd that it happens even at normal
interior lighting levels inside a house. I can imagine it happening when
it's really low light (eg outside at dusk or by moonlight) but not in
conditions which will be routinely encountered.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Thanks Mortimer for replying!
Yes, it seems odd that it happens even at normal interior lighting
levels inside a house to me too.

On May 22, 8:56*pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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On May 22, 3:59 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:





"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up
the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.
====

That's a bit of a bugger. I think most people would prefer noisy pictures
than a reduced frame rate. I seems odd that it happens even at normal
interior lighting levels inside a house. I can imagine it happening when
it's really low light (eg outside at dusk or by moonlight) but not in
conditions which will be routinely encountered.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello!
The Sony service says today that the camcorder is normal. The contact
personel did not test the camcorder. The Sony service does not allow
to contact technicians which tested the camcorder the days before.
Sincerely.

"D" wrote in message
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On May 22, 8:56 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a
PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the
light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than
a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up
the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.
====

That's a bit of a bugger. I think most people would prefer noisy pictures
than a reduced frame rate. I seems odd that it happens even at normal
interior lighting levels inside a house. I can imagine it happening when
it's really low light (eg outside at dusk or by moonlight) but not in
conditions which will be routinely encountered.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello!
The Sony service says today that the camcorder is normal. The contact
personel did not test the camcorder. The Sony service does not allow
to contact technicians which tested the camcorder the days before.
Sincerely.


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A camera which works at a lower frame rate than 25 or 30 fps (according to
video standard) in normal household room lighting sounds perilously close to
being unfit for purpose, bearing in mind this is one of the environments in
which it will commonly be used.

Don't you just love the level of "customer support" that companies try to
get away with these days. Sounds absurd that you can't talk to the
technician when the front-line person doesn't have all the answers himself.

On May 24, 8:15*pm, "Mortimer" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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On May 22, 8:56 pm, "Mortimer" wrote:





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"D" wrote in message

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On May 21, 6:07 pm, "Rob" wrote:
"D" wrote in message

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Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem.

Hi Dima,

If you are looking at it on a PC, are you sure that the problem isn't
that the PC is on the slow side? HDV is quite demanding.
If you don't see this effect in normal daylight, or are not using a
PC,
forget what I said.

Cheers,
--
Rob

Thanks Rob for replying!
I don't see this effect in normal daylight and am not using a PC.

===

Why is the frame rate worse in low light? Does the CCD integrate the
light
over a longer period to compensate, rather than raising the gain. Is it
something that is only the case with more recent cameras and the OP's
11-year-old camera which I imagine will also be using a CCD rather than
a
tube. Is it a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate
versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to winding up
the
gain?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it looks like the the CCD integrates the light over a longer
period to compensate, rather than raising the gain.
It is not a switchable setting: low noise at the expense of low frame
rate versus normal frame rate at the expense of more noise due to
winding up the gain in my case.
====

That's a bit of a bugger. I think most people would prefer noisy pictures
than a reduced frame rate. I seems odd that it happens even at normal
interior lighting levels inside a house. I can imagine it happening when
it's really low light (eg outside at dusk or by moonlight) but not in
conditions which will be routinely encountered.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hello!
The Sony service says today that the camcorder is normal. The contact
personel did not test the camcorder. The Sony service does not allow
to contact technicians which tested the camcorder the days before.
Sincerely.

====

A camera which works at a lower frame rate than 25 or 30 fps (according to
video standard) in normal household room lighting sounds perilously close to
being unfit for purpose, bearing in mind this is one of the environments in
which it will commonly be used.

Don't you just love the level of "customer support" that companies try to
get away with these days. Sounds absurd that you can't talk to the
technician when the front-line person doesn't have all the answers himself..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Thanks Mortimer for your reply!
Yes, it sounds absurd that I can't talk to the technician. The front-
line personnel does not pass to technicians all the information about
the problem which I said to them.
The Sony repair shop is located away from the front-line offices.
The problem is worsened by automatic switching shutter speed below and
above 25 fps during shooting! The switching is noticeable and
disturbing!