"the_constructor" wrote in message
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I received an Alba DVD Recorder from someone on my local Freecycle
Group and which I use for recording from the Tv on.

I also have a Panasonic DVD Recorder.

What I try to do is keep my favourite programs on one DVD so that it
is much easier to view later.

The trouble is that when I try to record on the Panasonic from the
Alba a message keeps popping up on screen saying NoREC and that I am
trying copy copyrighted material and will therefore not record.

Hence the reason for the CopyGaurd remover


Then this might not be macrovision but some other way of detection a
direct copy, in turn this might not be solved by a TBC or other
'macrovision removing' device.

mode=pedantic
By the way, TV programmes are still covered by the copyright laws, the
only relaxation is to allow time-shifting, this does not permit
archiving - which is what you are wanting to do.
/mode

Ben Grove wrote:
I have a perfectly good Macrovision remover. It has a full Scart In and
Out. Mail me if you'd be interested but really I'm only looking for
about £15 for the device.

Ben
If this is still available please email me with details(make, model,
condition) and P&P cost.

Alan.

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I received an Alba DVD Recorder from someone on my local Freecycle Group
and which I use for recording from the Tv on.

I also have a Panasonic DVD Recorder.

What I try to do is keep my favourite programs on one DVD so that it is
much easier to view later.

The trouble is that when I try to record on the Panasonic from the Alba a
message keeps popping up on screen saying NoREC and that I am trying copy
copyrighted material and will therefore not record.

Hence the reason for the CopyGaurd remover


Then this might not be macrovision but some other way of detection a
direct copy, in turn this might not be solved by a TBC or other
'macrovision removing' device.

mode=pedantic
By the way, TV programmes are still covered by the copyright laws, the
only relaxation is to allow time-shifting, this does not permit
archiving - which is what you are wanting to do.
/mode


Strange these laws.

If I copy a TV programme to VHS video tape and leave that on the shlef which
has been done byu just about everyone who owns a VHS video recorder, then
this is surely wrong as well. ?

James

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":Jerry:" wrote in message
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mode=pedantic
By the way, TV programmes are still covered by the copyright laws,
the only relaxation is to allow time-shifting, this does not permit
archiving - which is what you are wanting to do.
/mode


Strange these laws.

If I copy a TV programme to VHS video tape and leave that on the
shlef which has been done byu just about everyone who owns a VHS
video recorder, then this is surely wrong as well. ?


Yes! The way the law is written permits a "time-shift" recording to be
made and kept for a "reasonable" length of time - now the _ONLY_
question a court would be interested in is, how long is 'reasonable',
the way I have answered that question in the past is like this - take
two people making a time-shift recording, one is the wife of a RN
submariner who has just returned to a 3 month term of duty and a bloke
who is meeting his mates down the pub, in the first case it would be
reasonable for the time-shift recording to be kept for perhaps four
months, in the second it might be *unreasonable* to keep it for four
days (the bloke who went down the pub could easily have watched the
programme either the same night or the next day)...

This aspect to the Copyright Act uses the words "time-shift copy"
because that is exactly the *exemption* clause permits, if the
copyright laws had been amended to allow everybody to hold an archive
copy of any programme the words "archive copy" would have been used,
just as they are in the clause that allows certain specified users to
make archive copies - such as educational establishments, broadcast
companies [1] and HMG depts etc.

[1] every broadcaster, as part of the broadcast reg's, has to keep an
'off air' recording of their output for a set length of time in case
there is need to review what was actually broadcast - such as in a
case of complaint say.

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:01:09 -0000, ":Jerry:"
sharpened a new quill and scratched:


"the_constructor" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote in message
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mode=pedantic
By the way, TV programmes are still covered by the copyright laws,
the only relaxation is to allow time-shifting, this does not permit
archiving - which is what you are wanting to do.
/mode


Strange these laws.

If I copy a TV programme to VHS video tape and leave that on the
shlef which has been done byu just about everyone who owns a VHS
video recorder, then this is surely wrong as well. ?


Yes! The way the law is written permits a "time-shift" recording to be
made and kept for a "reasonable" length of time - now the _ONLY_
question a court would be interested in is, how long is 'reasonable',
the way I have answered that question in the past is like this - take
two people making a time-shift recording, one is the wife of a RN
submariner who has just returned to a 3 month term of duty and a bloke
who is meeting his mates down the pub, in the first case it would be
reasonable for the time-shift recording to be kept for perhaps four
months, in the second it might be *unreasonable* to keep it for four
days (the bloke who went down the pub could easily have watched the
programme either the same night or the next day)...

This aspect to the Copyright Act uses the words "time-shift copy"
because that is exactly the *exemption* clause permits, if the
copyright laws had been amended to allow everybody to hold an archive
copy of any programme the words "archive copy" would have been used,
just as they are in the clause that allows certain specified users to
make archive copies - such as educational establishments, broadcast
companies [1] and HMG depts etc.

[1] every broadcaster, as part of the broadcast reg's, has to keep an
'off air' recording of their output for a set length of time in case
there is need to review what was actually broadcast - such as in a
case of complaint say.

As I remember seeing a number of people interviewed in tv progs about
their enormous collections of video tapes of, for instance; every
episode of a soap or other long-running series, or every instance of
anything their fav actor had appeared in etc. It's obviously not a law
that's acted upon. I would suggest that only those who sell on copies
of taped progs are prosecuted. I do know someone, a keen antiques
collector, that has recorded every single prog on the subject since
'Going For a Song' started.

I was also thinking along the same lines.
Was it last year or the year before, the BBC were asking people if they had
certasin copies of a particular program because they, the BBC, had lost them
or for some reason couldn't find them. So much for that law then.
James
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(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

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I was also thinking along the same lines.
Was it last year or the year before, the BBC were asking people if
they had certasin copies of a particular program because they, the
BBC, had lost them or for some reason couldn't find them. So much
for that law then.

Much of the law is an ass...

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:01:18 -0000, "the_constructor"
sharpened a new quill and scratched:

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I was also thinking along the same lines.
Was it last year or the year before, the BBC were asking people if
they had
certasin copies of a particular program because they, the BBC, had
lost them
or for some reason couldn't find them. So much for that law then.
James

I do remember seeing the request on tv, however, can't remember what
archive stuff they wanted. I have quite a collection of nature progs
on tape, and lately on dvd, can't get enough of them, even buy dvds
on
the subject.


IIRC much of the TV programmes [1] the BBC asked for predated the
consumer era VCR, many of the recordings that surfaced were either
long lost (read saved from the skip) BBC recordings or very early (
for example the Philips V2000 or earlier) home recordings.

[1] they also asked for quite a few audio recordings of radio
programmes.