I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

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I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Hola Miguel,
My first advice would be to tell them to use a tripod! The biggest single
"feature" of amateur video footage is the jumpy - can't -quite - make -
their - mind - up - what - they - are - focussing - attention - on - at -
that - particular - moment quality,

Buena suerte



Rob

On 26 ago, 21:53, "RobDee" wrote:
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I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Hola Miguel,
My first advice would be to tell them to use a tripod! The biggest single
"feature" of amateur video footage is the jumpy - can't -quite - make -
their - mind - up - what - they - are - focussing - attention - on - at -
that - particular - moment quality,

Buena suerte



Rob

Yes, you are right. I use it whenever I can, But now I need to buy a
better videocamara with an efficient battery for videos like the one
you can see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es or
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/incompatibilidades and
http://www.cita.es/peritos/inompatibles

Any advice?

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On 26 ago, 21:53, "RobDee" wrote:
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I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Hola Miguel,
My first advice would be to tell them to use a tripod! The biggest single
"feature" of amateur video footage is the jumpy - can't -quite - make -
their - mind - up - what - they - are - focussing - attention - on - at -
that - particular - moment quality,

Buena suerte



Rob

Yes, you are right. I use it whenever I can, But now I need to buy a
better videocamara with an efficient battery for videos like the one
you can see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es or
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/incompatibilidades and
http://www.cita.es/peritos/inompatibles

Any advice?

Have you looked at Optize - I can highly recommend them - here's a search
for Sony MiniDV only cameras (the combination which I would personally
recommend):
http://www.optize.es/servlet/navigat...odoOrden=false

MiniDV will give you the best quality for the least amount of messing around
and there is plenty of software to do simple edits and conversion to MPEG4
for Utube after uploading the footage to computer with a firewire cable.
Also do a google search for getting the best Utube quality - the trick is to
start with the highest quality footage and use software to compress it
yourself to their requirements to avoid them using their low quailty
compression techniques and or recompressing what you have already done
compounding any defects in the quality of the material.

As for battery life - most of us are resigned to carrying extras around - I
always carry a number of fully charged high capacity batteries when on a
shoot as well as using an in-car charger (I do mainly Wildlife / Adventure
stuff). Most cameras come with a battery that lasts around an hour or two if
you are lucky.

Hope that helps.

Rob

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On 26 ago, 21:53, "RobDee" wrote:
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roups.com...

I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see athttp://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel,www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Hola Miguel,
My first advice would be to tell them to use a tripod! The biggest single
"feature" of amateur video footage is the jumpy - can't -quite - make -
their - mind - up - what - they - are - focussing - attention - on - at -
that - particular - moment quality,

Buena suerte



Rob

Yes, you are right. I use it whenever I can, But now I need to buy a
better videocamara with an efficient battery for videos like the one
you can see athttp://www.miguelgallardo.es or
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/incompatibilidadesand
http://www.cita.es/peritos/inompatibles

Any advice?

Have you looked at Optize - I can highly recommend them - here's a search
for Sony MiniDV only cameras (the combination which I would personally
recommend):http://www.optize.es/servlet/navigat...pag=1&orden=9&...

MiniDV will give you the best quality for the least amount of messing around
and there is plenty of software to do simple edits and conversion to MPEG4
for Utube after uploading the footage to computer with a firewire cable.
Also do a google search for getting the best Utube quality - the trick is to
start with the highest quality footage and use software to compress it
yourself to their requirements to avoid them using their low quailty
compression techniques and or recompressing what you have already done
compounding any defects in the quality of the material.

As for battery life - most of us are resigned to carrying extras around - I
always carry a number of fully charged high capacity batteries when on a
shoot as well as using an in-car charger (I do mainly Wildlife / Adventure
stuff). Most cameras come with a battery that lasts around an hour or two if
you are lucky.

Hope that helps.

Rob

Yes, Rob, you helped me a lot. I think that I must buy a good Sony one
tht I must to see and check personally, but I need many more cheaper,
so please let me to know your opinion about 100 Euros or so simple
camaras like, for instance, the ones you can see at:
http://www.optize.es/servlet/TOSHIBA...22_optize.html
or at
http://www.optize.es/servlet/VIDEOCA..._op tize.html

I think that latest models can be good enough to improve videos like
the ones at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos
or any of the ones you can also see at www.cita.es or www.miguelgallardo.es

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On 26 ago, 21:53, "RobDee" wrote:
wrote in message

roups.com...

I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you
can
see athttp://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel,www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Hola Miguel,
My first advice would be to tell them to use a tripod! The biggest
single
"feature" of amateur video footage is the jumpy - can't -quite -
make -
their - mind - up - what - they - are - focussing - attention - on -
at -
that - particular - moment quality,

Buena suerte



Rob

Yes, you are right. I use it whenever I can, But now I need to buy a
better videocamara with an efficient battery for videos like the one
you can see athttp://www.miguelgallardo.es or
http://www.miguelgallardo.es/incompatibilidadesand
http://www.cita.es/peritos/inompatibles

Any advice?

Have you looked at Optize - I can highly recommend them - here's a search
for Sony MiniDV only cameras (the combination which I would personally
recommend):http://www.optize.es/servlet/navigat...pag=1&orden=9&...

MiniDV will give you the best quality for the least amount of messing
around
and there is plenty of software to do simple edits and conversion to
MPEG4
for Utube after uploading the footage to computer with a firewire cable.
Also do a google search for getting the best Utube quality - the trick is
to
start with the highest quality footage and use software to compress it
yourself to their requirements to avoid them using their low quailty
compression techniques and or recompressing what you have already done
compounding any defects in the quality of the material.

As for battery life - most of us are resigned to carrying extras around -
I
always carry a number of fully charged high capacity batteries when on a
shoot as well as using an in-car charger (I do mainly Wildlife /
Adventure
stuff). Most cameras come with a battery that lasts around an hour or two
if
you are lucky.

Hope that helps.

Rob

Yes, Rob, you helped me a lot. I think that I must buy a good Sony one
tht I must to see and check personally, but I need many more cheaper,
so please let me to know your opinion about 100 Euros or so simple
camaras like, for instance, the ones you can see at:
http://www.optize.es/servlet/TOSHIBA...22_optize.html
or at
http://www.optize.es/servlet/VIDEOCA..._op tize.html

I think that latest models can be good enough to improve videos like
the ones at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos
or any of the ones you can also see at www.cita.es or
www.miguelgallardo.es

Ok, well the question boils down to: Are these MPEG4 cameras of sufficiently
good quality? I hope someone else can chip in with a word from actual
experience - I did find a short clip made with the Toshiba Camileo:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/785561/cavalcades_2007/
The quality is variable but some sections seem perfectly good enough for
Utube - and if you shoot at 640x480 and avoid the 320 setting, plus use of a
tripod - even under decent lighting conditions - you may get what you're
looking for.

?97 plus IVA isn't a bad price at all - perhaps Optize will do you a deal
where you try one out with the understanding that if they are what you need
you will buy a bulk quantity. If not they will take it back. It's worth
asking their sales dept. They are very good when it comes to service,
delivery and returns; but I've never asked them to take back an item because
"I don't like it"!


Rob

Maybe Optize will

On a sunny day (Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:51:21 +0200) it happened "RobDee"
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Ok, well the question boils down to: Are these MPEG4 cameras of sufficiently
good quality? I hope someone else can chip in with a word from actual
experience -

I tested the Mustek DV9300, and it is based on the same design as the two mentioned here I think:
http://panteltje.com/serendipity/ind...xperience.html

The biggest problem is that there is no optical zoom,
the second problem is the rotten sound,
the third problem is the battery is flat in a week if you leave it in.

I did put something on youtube I made with it:
http://www.youtube.com/v/iUOcbMoimYg
That is done in 640x480 @25fps converted to DivX4 2 pass.

Never in true focus, could not zoom in on the plane, and could not see the viewfinder against the sun,
so had to guess (no optical viewfinder).
But the color is OK, and somehow it did not pixelate while panning _this_ time ;-)
Low light = no picture, but hey, it is fun to have around for sudden things _IF_
you have enough time to find the battery to put it in, as you have to keep it
out, else it is empty when you need it.

Plus: 2GB SD card works, 640x480 @30fps mpeg4 works, more then many digital cameras can.

I just should axe it up one day and put a real lens on it.....

If I were you, I would spend some more and get one with optical zoom and a decent lens and
some for mof focus (auto or manual).
You will need it.

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ups.com...
I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see at http://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent



Well, if you look at the poor quality of the crap on You Tube it apparently
doesn't take much to do videos for You Tube. I would suggest a box of
cracker jacks. You may get lucky, baring that any $200 camcorder should do
the job. Though you will have to spend money on the software to make the
quality and content crap, that won't be cheap.

Somebody!

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I must to find a a good and cheap digital video camara useful for
YouTube video publishing with quality much better than the one you can
see athttp://www.miguelgallardo.es/vicios/ocultos

I can buy 12 or even 20 videocamaras and maybe I can translate to
Spanish the instructons teaching tricks to my customers.

Any offer or commercial proposal is very welcome.

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent
www.cita.es/euroagent

Well, if you look at the poor quality of the crap on You Tube it apparently
doesn't take much to do videos for You Tube. I would suggest a box of
cracker jacks. You may get lucky, baring that any $200 camcorder should do
the job. Though you will have to spend money on the software to make the
quality and content crap, that won't be cheap.

Somebody!

Obviously, the more you spend, better you get but the point is that
200 Euros was nothing some years ago for digital video and now you can
make something good enough for You Tube.

One of the most important things for my pourposes is audio quality, so
I need a microphone jack and no delay like the one you can see in the
videos that I published at www.miguelgallardo.es and www.cita.es

But I must to sell with profit giving technical support to my
customers so I hope to find something for 200 Euros or cheaper. My
experience is that the latest model is almost always cheaper and
better. Do you know where to find the last ones for that price?

miguel, www.cita.es/commercial/agent