"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote:

Why not try another economic editing package like Ulead's
VideoStudio, in place of the Pinnacle program. They have a
demo I believe.

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.

I've asked on one of the Ulead forums, and it will be checked later today,
but a quick browse of the manual suggests it cannot do this. Have you any
requirement for editing the resulting video, because I'm pretty sure
VirtualDub can concatenate stills into an AVI.

"Peter" wrote in message
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"G Hardy" wrote:

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.

I've asked on one of the Ulead forums, and it will be checked later today,
but a quick browse of the manual suggests it cannot do this. Have you any
requirement for editing the resulting video, because I'm pretty sure
VirtualDub can concatenate stills into an AVI.

Thank you very much!

The final video will not be edited but it needs to be in an
immediately widely usable (by non computer literate www users) format
i.e. WMV or MPEG2. I need to generate two different movies; one a
low-res one of about 200-300 lines and the other a VCD full-broadcast
size one.

Pinnacle 10.5, which I currently have, does all this OK but the
finished movie is about 2x longer than one would expect from the # of
frames and the frame rate. This is acceptable but could be a problem
in the future because I cannot play very much with the original camera
interval period - it is 5 secs minimum.

Cant you speed it up.
And is PAL not 23.9 fps


Pinnacle also crashes when doing this; a work-around is to start it
clean with a "new project" and then when it has written out the file
you have to exit before doing anything else.

Someone suggested GIMP, which I might look at. However, I also use
Pinnacle for normal HD movie capture and editing (contrary to what
their tech support told me, it supports HD just fine and generates
1080-line video).

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"Peter" wrote in message
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"G Hardy" wrote:

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one
forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.

I've asked on one of the Ulead forums, and it will be checked later
today,
but a quick browse of the manual suggests it cannot do this. Have
you any
requirement for editing the resulting video, because I'm pretty
sure
VirtualDub can concatenate stills into an AVI.

Thank you very much!

The final video will not be edited but it needs to be in an
immediately widely usable (by non computer literate www users)
format
i.e. WMV or MPEG2. I need to generate two different movies; one a
low-res one of about 200-300 lines and the other a VCD
full-broadcast
size one.

Pinnacle 10.5, which I currently have, does all this OK but the
finished movie is about 2x longer than one would expect from the #
of
frames and the frame rate. This is acceptable but could be a
problem
in the future because I cannot play very much with the original
camera
interval period - it is 5 secs minimum.

Cant you speed it up.
And is PAL not 23.9 fps


No PAL is 25fps exact, unless you are working in *certain* HD formats,
which will not be the case with what Peter wants to do or is imposed
format restrictions (above).

"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote

Also, although a bit of a learning curve, the GIMP (with animation
add-on/plug-in) should be able to do what "Peter" wants - might also
need something like Irfanview to batch rename / resize the source
images.

Looking at

http://docs.gimp.org/en/

even finding the relevant feature in the manual would be a
challenge.
This is a serious anorak piece of software.

"Learning curve" is an understatement.

Well, as I said, some people are better off just giving up...

"Peter" wrote in message
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"G Hardy" wrote:

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.

I've asked on one of the Ulead forums, and it will be checked later today,
but a quick browse of the manual suggests it cannot do this. Have you any
requirement for editing the resulting video, because I'm pretty sure
VirtualDub can concatenate stills into an AVI.

Thank you very much!

The final video will not be edited but it needs to be in an
immediately widely usable (by non computer literate www users) format
i.e. WMV or MPEG2. I need to generate two different movies; one a
low-res one of about 200-300 lines and the other a VCD full-broadcast
size one.

You could always create your full-res, uncompressed original video from
stills using VirtualDub, then put that on the Pinnacle timeline and output
other video files with the codecs and dimensions you need.

Uncompressed SD video is HDD hungry - Over 30MB per second. If I had a load
of hi-res stills, I'd be more inclined to seek a solution that uses the
JPEGs themselves as the video file, just so I wasn't duplicating such
volumes of data. The editor I use, Ulead's MediaStudio Pro allows this, and
is very stable, but it's not cheap, and with no Vista version coming, it
looks like there's not much of a future for it, either.

"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote

Also, although a bit of a learning curve, the GIMP (with animation
add-on/plug-in) should be able to do what "Peter" wants - might also
need something like Irfanview to batch rename / resize the source
images.

Looking at

http://docs.gimp.org/en/

even finding the relevant feature in the manual would be a challenge.
This is a serious anorak piece of software.

"Learning curve" is an understatement.

It's not as bad as it looks. Just don't be distracted by all
the controls and options available. You don't need to know
how to use all the features, not right away and probably not
ever. Just learn how to do what it is you want to do, then
you will see that it's pretty easy.

Luck;
Ken

"G Hardy" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote in message
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"G Hardy" wrote:

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.

I've asked on one of the Ulead forums, and it will be checked later
today,
but a quick browse of the manual suggests it cannot do this. Have you any
requirement for editing the resulting video, because I'm pretty sure
VirtualDub can concatenate stills into an AVI.

Thank you very much!

The final video will not be edited but it needs to be in an
immediately widely usable (by non computer literate www users) format
i.e. WMV or MPEG2. I need to generate two different movies; one a
low-res one of about 200-300 lines and the other a VCD full-broadcast
size one.

You could always create your full-res, uncompressed original video from
stills using VirtualDub, then put that on the Pinnacle timeline and output
other video files with the codecs and dimensions you need.

Uncompressed SD video is HDD hungry - Over 30MB per second. If I had a
load of hi-res stills, I'd be more inclined to seek a solution that uses
the JPEGs themselves as the video file, just so I wasn't duplicating such
volumes of data. The editor I use, Ulead's MediaStudio Pro allows this,
and is very stable, but it's not cheap, and with no Vista version coming,
it looks like there's not much of a future for it, either.


I gave it a quick try in Ulead VideoStudio 10+ and could put
a reasonable chunk ( a couple of hundred) of JPEGs on the
timelime at a time. 10,000 could require adding them in
chunks. I didn't try for a larger chunk, though so I don't
know if there is a max number you can do at a time.

The problem comes in with the still duration. I didn't find a
way to set the duration for a large number of images. Setting
each one of 10,000 could be a pain. Even setting the default
still duration in the options didn't seem to work.

I still believe using one of the Virtual Dub versions would be
a better approach, for this kind of frame by frame effort.
Another more likely approach is with an encoder, most let
you encode a sequence of images, with varying levels of
support for creating an animation.

Frameserving with the "filters" and processing available may
be your best bet though.

Luck;
Ken

"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote

The problem comes in with the still duration. I didn't find a
way to set the duration for a large number of images. Setting
each one of 10,000 could be a pain. Even setting the default
still duration in the options didn't seem to work.

This is the same problem I had with Pinnacle. Have you seen the other
thread I posted, or has someone issued a forged delete message?

IMV when doing this kind of thing, the frame duration should just be
the 1 / frame-rate. In Pinnacle I can do select-all, then reduce the
default frame duration (4 seconds) to 0.01 sec.

I will have a look at GIMP. However, after some experiments yesterday
I am finding that my 5 second interval is much too long and I need
about 0.5 - 1 second. There isn't any still camera that can do this
automatically; possibly some DSLR can with a remote controller, and I
will have to look at using a webcam for which you can get software
that does exactly that.

You need to add the GAP plug-in to Gimp 2.2.8 or greater
to get the animation specific tools. Both the current Gimp
2.2.17 and the GAP plugin are together on the download
page.

Some of what you seem to want to do could be a good
match with Stop Motion Animation/ Time lapse programs

http://animatordv.com/pr_ent.php

http://animatordv.com/features.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GMPd8oCDew

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...m+time+ lapse

Luck;
Ken

"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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I gave it a quick try in Ulead VideoStudio 10+ and could put
a reasonable chunk ( a couple of hundred) of JPEGs on the
timelime at a time. 10,000 could require adding them in
chunks. I didn't try for a larger chunk, though so I don't
know if there is a max number you can do at a time.

MSP, Videostudio's "older brother", allows you to set the default inserted
clip duration, so that (for example) colour clips, titles and inserted
stills all have a particular duration. The parameter can be found in the
"preferences" dialog.

VS is produced by different developers to MSP inside Ulead, though, so it's
not necessarily there. If you use the "insert image" button, you can change
the number of frames for each image there, too.

The problem comes in with the still duration. I didn't find a
way to set the duration for a large number of images. Setting
each one of 10,000 could be a pain. Even setting the default
still duration in the options didn't seem to work.

Does this help?
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=19104

Alternatively, speed up the video by 2500% ;o)

"G Hardy" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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I gave it a quick try in Ulead VideoStudio 10+ and could put
a reasonable chunk ( a couple of hundred) of JPEGs on the
timelime at a time. 10,000 could require adding them in
chunks. I didn't try for a larger chunk, though so I don't
know if there is a max number you can do at a time.

MSP, Videostudio's "older brother", allows you to set the default inserted
clip duration, so that (for example) colour clips, titles and inserted
stills all have a particular duration. The parameter can be found in the
"preferences" dialog.

VS is produced by different developers to MSP inside Ulead, though, so
it's
not necessarily there. If you use the "insert image" button, you can
change
the number of frames for each image there, too.

The problem comes in with the still duration. I didn't find a
way to set the duration for a large number of images. Setting
each one of 10,000 could be a pain. Even setting the default
still duration in the options didn't seem to work.

Does this help?
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=19104

Alternatively, speed up the video by 2500% ;o)



OK, I tried again and looked for a convert function in VideoStudio
and it works!!

From Batch Convert in the "Tools" tab.

Select the type of file you want to convert to, probably
uncompressed AVI.

Then "Add" files of type "Ulead Image Sequence Files (*.uis)".

Click on the "Options" button to bring up the "Define Image Sequence"
window.

Use the "Select..." button to find your first image file in the
folder you have your JPEGs (There are several tools that are
pretty standard to help you with this stage)

When you are done with this step you will have a .uis file that
you can select for the "Open Video File" window (the one "Add"
from the batch file window took you to) Click, "Open" and you
will be back at the "Batch Convert" window.

Now check your "Options...".

Then highlight your .uis file, and click on the "Convert" button.

This was actually quite easy and gave me one frame per image,
where as I had to deal with duration for each image when working
on the timeline.

Most of the info I had found dealt with generating a sequence
of images not putting them back together, this method seems to
work very well.

Luck;
Ken