"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote

I suspect he has been using the story-board in Pinnacle (studio), as
you say, if he has no concept of what a time-line is it's any wonder
he found Vegas (and others) "impenetrable"?!

Yes, I have been using that mode, as well as the others, and I do now
know what a timeline is. What I was hoping to point out is that this
business is full of concepts which need to be learnt.

The problem I have with Liquid 7 was more specific and even repeated
posts on their support forum were unable to get to the bottom of it.
In L7 you can select which of a number of data sources (e.g. video,
sound, etc) end up being merged into the movie. You check the checkbox
for each one that you want, and there are various things which change
shade or colour of the selected source. However, every movie I made
turned out to be blank. The sound track was there but no video.
Obviously there was something really subtle (and probably obvious to a
user who knows the program) but I never worked it out. I don't
remember the details now. I should add that I am a hardware / software
developer with 35 years' experience, and have extensive experience in
IT, computers, networking. And a BSc in Electronics. Liquid 7 did
however beat me.

Speaking of Pinnacle, right now I am trying to make a movie from a few
thousand jpeg images. This is a feature in the program, and does work.
There are a few probable bugs though - the program has just crashed
for the 3rd time this morning, trying to render the movie. It does
mini WMV files but has problems with full size mpegs. The magazine
reviews did say it was the most unstable (meaning ridden with bugs
that crash it) video editing product they ever tested. This is v10 -
is v11 any better?

Pinnacle has earned its self a bad reputation in years past, but
since it was acquired be Avid (the originators of Liquid Pro 7)
it appears to be somewhat improved. Still many of us avoid
Pinnacle out of force of habit.

Why not try another economic editing package like Ulead's
VideoStudio, in place of the Pinnacle program. They have a
demo I believe.

Luck;
Ken

There is that "gladly" enough?

"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote

I suspect he has been using the story-board in Pinnacle (studio), as
you say, if he has no concept of what a time-line is it's any wonder
he found Vegas (and others) "impenetrable"?!

Yes, I have been using that mode, as well as the others, and I do
now
know what a timeline is. What I was hoping to point out is that this
business is full of concepts which need to be learnt.
snip diatribe

So does anything that needs at least a little bit of intelligent brain
power, even writing your name is full of "concepts which need to be
learnt"...

"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote:

So does anything that needs at least a little bit of intelligent
brain
power, even writing your name is full of "concepts which need to be
learnt"...

Funny you should say that, old chum, because this kind of
patronishing
bull**** is exactly what one gets (from some arseholes, not from
everybody) on the "oh so professional video editing "support"
forums"
when one asks a question there. I wonder if this is a coincidence.

Whilst people like you are the sort of ignorant arse-holes who refuse
to RTFM before asking silly questions, I'm surprised that some don't
post questions like "How does one open the (component X of the)
program, there isn't an icon on the desktop?"...


I use the word "support" in quotes because for the prices these
things
go for, the manufacturer ought to provide a decent user manual AND
some real support.

Well, talking about Premiere, Canopus and Sony (vegas) that remark
just proves that you either don't bother to RTFM or are just unable to
comprehend what is (unavoidably)a complicated/technical subject - not
everything can be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, for
those it might be better just giving up, as you did!


I just fall over backwards laughing when I see the Sony laptop
adverts
which try to push their cheap crap High Street laptops as machines
suitable for video editing.

If they are talking about Vegas, which they would be, there really is
nothing to suggest that a current medium spec laptop can not be used,
of course one might need to add an external HDD - have you actually
bothered to look at the spec' requirement for Vegas v.7?

It's no wonder the video editing software
suppliers wash their hands of support, when they get 1000 calls a
day
from punters who can't make the product do what it should do.


No wonder at all when people like you don't RTFM, don't RTFS [1] and
then complain that the software is a pile of ckack when it doesn't run
properly on your machine!

[1] not forgetting that the minimum spec is just that, what will allow
the software to do the minimum of basic tasks.

"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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Speaking of Pinnacle, right now I am trying to make a movie from a few
thousand jpeg images. This is a feature in the program, and does work.
There are a few probable bugs though - the program has just crashed
for the 3rd time this morning, trying to render the movie. It does
mini WMV files but has problems with full size mpegs. The magazine
reviews did say it was the most unstable (meaning ridden with bugs
that crash it) video editing product they ever tested. This is v10 -
is v11 any better?

Pinnacle has earned its self a bad reputation in years past, but
since it was acquired be Avid (the originators of Liquid Pro 7)
it appears to be somewhat improved. Still many of us avoid
Pinnacle out of force of habit.

I've had Studio 10 SmartStart (or some such naff name) for a few days - it
was bundled with a DTTV decoder that I bought.

I've found that on two different PCs it is a bit flaky: what often seems to
crash it is adding a transition (eg fade/dissolve) and then editing its
properties to change the duration: closing the transition view to go back to
the storyboard view sometimes causes it to terminate and offer to send a
report back to Pinnacle.

So I always save my project just before doing this, so I can return to that
state when I restart Studio 10.

It probably happens one in every ten times that I edit a transition.

Speaking of Pinnacle, right now I am trying to make a movie from a few
thousand jpeg images. This is a feature in the program, and does work.
There are a few probable bugs though - the program has just crashed
for the 3rd time this morning, trying to render the movie.

One thing I use Pinnacle Studio 9 for is to create slideshows. There is
a
workaround for your problem Instead of trying to render the whole
project
at one time, break it down into smaller parts (say 500 or 1000 jpegs).
Render
those as AVI files and then use those as the source for our final
project.
That way, Studio will treat it as just another video file rather that
1000's
of individual frames.

-Bill

"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote:

Why not try another economic editing package like Ulead's
VideoStudio, in place of the Pinnacle program. They have a
demo I believe.

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.


Wait -- just who are you? Are you "John" the Original Poster (OP)?
Or are you "Peter"?

Yes you can add individual "images" to the VideoStudio timeline,
just as you can in most editors. You might want to give VDubMod
a try and frameserve to an encoder for a project like that.

Luck;
Ken

"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote:

Why not try another economic editing package like Ulead's
VideoStudio, in place of the Pinnacle program. They have a
demo I believe.

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming
one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.


Wait -- just who are you? Are you "John" the Original Poster (OP)?
Or are you "Peter"?

Yes you can add individual "images" to the VideoStudio timeline,
just as you can in most editors. You might want to give VDubMod
a try and frameserve to an encoder for a project like that.


Also, although a bit of a learning curve, the GIMP (with animation
add-on/plug-in) should be able to do what "Peter" wants - might also
need something like Irfanview to batch rename / resize the source
images.

":Jerry:" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote in message
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"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote:

Why not try another economic editing package like Ulead's
VideoStudio, in place of the Pinnacle program. They have a
demo I believe.

Can it make movies from say 10,000 640x480 jpegs, each one forming one
frame of the movie?

This is a particular requirement I have, for making a time-lapse
movie.


Wait -- just who are you? Are you "John" the Original Poster (OP)?
Or are you "Peter"?

Yes you can add individual "images" to the VideoStudio timeline,
just as you can in most editors. You might want to give VDubMod
a try and frameserve to an encoder for a project like that.


Also, although a bit of a learning curve, the GIMP (with animation
add-on/plug-in) should be able to do what "Peter" wants - might also need
something like Irfanview to batch rename / resize the source images.

Actually there is a quite active Animation crowd that have
developed and moded a number of tools geared to their
activities. A through Google search should get Peter connected
to the right people.

Luck;
Ken

"Peter" wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" wrote

Actually there is a quite active Animation crowd that have
developed and moded a number of tools geared to their
activities. A through Google search should get Peter connected
to the right people.

I did look at this and there are loads of "unix" tools for doing it.
Unfortunately, I don't run unix; my unix command line expertise is
limited to "ls" and "rm -r"

You really are sounding like a ****tard, GIMP is ported for windows
(as well as UNIX & Mac OS X) and just to check I actually tried doing
what you need to do in GIMP *before* suggesting the software, this on
the Windows XP box.


Pinnacle *should* work, and does work, but produces some unexpected
movie lengths - see my other post.

Indeed, which is why you have been asking about other software and
people have been trying to help by suggesting (free) software that
will do what you want, if your intension is to just 'slag off'
Pinnacle whilst poo-pooing any suggestion of help then please remove
uk.rec.video.digital from your posts. Although Studio can be made to
do what you want, it wasn't written/designed to do so, the software
that has been suggested *has* been designed to frameserve - by all
mean compare like with like but trying to compare chalk with cheese is
just making you look the numb-skull, not Pinnacle...

"Peter" wrote in message
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":Jerry:" wrote:

Although Studio can be made to
do what you want

Can you explain how?

*You* have already said that it can, but with unpredictable results!


As I wrote on the other thread (to which I see no responses on my
usenet server at present), it works but produces longer than
expected
movies.

If GIMP (I've seen their website) can pick up a folder with say
10,000
640x480 jpegs and turn it into an mpeg movie of 576 lines, I would
be
interested.

It's an animation package that has been designed to produce animated
films - Duh!...

But I have Pinnacle 10, which I've paid for, and I would
like to use it if I can.


Brick-wall, Head - feel free to have a close encounter... :~(