Are the new and upcoming Adobe CS3 product suites that include Premiere Pro,
After Effects, Flash, Photoshop Extended, etc., optimized to get
performance benefits from the Intel quad core cpus?
If not, would the core 2 duo processors be a better buy for performance with
these programs?
Thanks for any advice.

Luis Ortega wrote:
Are the new and upcoming Adobe CS3 product suites that include Premiere Pro,
After Effects, Flash, Photoshop Extended, etc., optimized to get
performance benefits from the Intel quad core cpus?
If not, would the core 2 duo processors be a better buy for performance with
these programs?
Thanks for any advice.


FCP6 is optimised for the 8 core Mac Pro despite what you were told in
the other thread. More cores=more realtime streams and scales almost
linearly with No. of cores. Compressor 3 is completely multi-threaded
and again is optimised for multi core Macs and is 2.5-3x (using same
hardware) faster than Compressor 2.

The new CS3 packages are not scheduled for release until September is
the last I heard.

WRT performance you can download a public beta of Premiere CS3 to check
for yourself. FCS2 is not released until the end of May so direct
comparison will not be able to be made until then but I personally am
not expecting any difference between FCP and Premiere based on what I've
been told from someone who attended NAB.

My experience with Intel Macs and FCS1, Shake and a whole host of
universal binary applications is in marked contrast to Smarty's but then
I am only a freelance compositor working in broadcast and film so what
do I know??

S

Thanks, Spex,
I have made no decision yet and in any case I am waiting until August right
before we start school again to make my purchase, whatever that turns out to
be.
My two choices a

1. Upgrade my PC from my current P4 setup to a Core 2 Quad system (or Core 2
Duo if the software can't exploit the quad performance) with new
motherboard, 4 gig ram and 512 mb video card, and get the Adobe Video
Production CS3 Master collection bundle which includes almost all that I use
now but in a CS3 version.

2. Buy a Mac Pro desktop with dual 2.66 ghz Zeon processors, 4 gig ram, 512
video card option and FCP Studio 2, plus also install Win XP and my current
production software and upgrade those to Mac versions as I can afford it. I
would eventually like to have my main production software (Photoshop, After
Effects Pro, Flash, Premiere Pro) in Mac versions.

Obviously, option 2 is more expensive, but the goal of my research in the
next few months is to determine if it's worth it in term of stability and
performance, and also feature set comparisons once Premiere Pro CS3
information is available. I took a short course in FCP 5 studio so I am
familiar now with its main features and am very impressed. It seems to have
all of the features that I really like in Premiere Pro plus Avid and a few
more, and the studio bundle software is also very impressive.

I would appreciate anyone's advice on this, and thanks to all for their time
and help.



"Spex" wrote in message
...
Luis Ortega wrote:
Are the new and upcoming Adobe CS3 product suites that include Premiere
Pro, After Effects, Flash, Photoshop Extended, etc., optimized to get
performance benefits from the Intel quad core cpus?
If not, would the core 2 duo processors be a better buy for performance
with these programs?
Thanks for any advice.
FCP6 is optimised for the 8 core Mac Pro despite what you were told in the
other thread. More cores=more realtime streams and scales almost linearly
with No. of cores. Compressor 3 is completely multi-threaded and again is
optimised for multi core Macs and is 2.5-3x (using same hardware) faster
than Compressor 2.

The new CS3 packages are not scheduled for release until September is the
last I heard.

WRT performance you can download a public beta of Premiere CS3 to check
for yourself. FCS2 is not released until the end of May so direct
comparison will not be able to be made until then but I personally am not
expecting any difference between FCP and Premiere based on what I've been
told from someone who attended NAB.

My experience with Intel Macs and FCS1, Shake and a whole host of
universal binary applications is in marked contrast to Smarty's but then I
am only a freelance compositor working in broadcast and film so what do I
know??

S

Luis Ortega wrote:
Thanks, Spex,
I have made no decision yet and in any case I am waiting until August right
before we start school again to make my purchase, whatever that turns out to
be.
My two choices a

1. Upgrade my PC from my current P4 setup to a Core 2 Quad system (or Core 2
Duo if the software can't exploit the quad performance) with new
motherboard, 4 gig ram and 512 mb video card, and get the Adobe Video
Production CS3 Master collection bundle which includes almost all that I use
now but in a CS3 version.

Putting off your purchase until you need to is always a good idea
especially in these days of such rapid hardware development.

Adobe CS3 looks downright superb value for money and I will no doubt be
purchasing one of the CS3 web/design packages.


2. Buy a Mac Pro desktop with dual 2.66 ghz Zeon processors, 4 gig ram, 512
video card option and FCP Studio 2, plus also install Win XP and my current
production software and upgrade those to Mac versions as I can afford it. I
would eventually like to have my main production software (Photoshop, After
Effects Pro, Flash, Premiere Pro) in Mac versions.

In production you'll probably not notice the difference between a 2.66
GHz processor and a 3.0 GHz processor but your wallet most certainly
will! I bought a refurbished Mac Pro 2.66, put 4 GB of 3rd party RAM in
it and saved myself a fortune. I shall be purchasing an 8 core Mac Pro
in the near future and set it up as a render farm for LW, Shake et al.

Installing XP on the Mac Pro is not problem at all and gives you all the
flexibility in the world. I dual boot into XP on our Mac Pro for
Lightwave but when LW9.2 is released and is stable I shall cross grade
to an Intel Mac version. I am not missing any application from my
toolkit by using Intel Macs in my business.


Obviously, option 2 is more expensive, but the goal of my research in the
next few months is to determine if it's worth it in term of stability and
performance, and also feature set comparisons once Premiere Pro CS3
information is available. I took a short course in FCP 5 studio so I am
familiar now with its main features and am very impressed. It seems to have
all of the features that I really like in Premiere Pro plus Avid and a few
more, and the studio bundle software is also very impressive.

I would appreciate anyone's advice on this, and thanks to all for their time
and help.



You'll have to decide what it is you want from you suite of production
software and see whether Apple's or Adobe's suite offers a better fit
for your needs.

Just stay away from the PC vs Apple religious debate and you'll do
alright.


S

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:10:22 GMT, "Luis Ortega"
wrote:

Thanks, Spex,
I have made no decision yet and in any case I am waiting until August right
before we start school again to make my purchase, whatever that turns out to
be.
My two choices a

1. Upgrade my PC from my current P4 setup to a Core 2 Quad system (or Core 2
Duo if the software can't exploit the quad performance) with new
motherboard, 4 gig ram and 512 mb video card, and get the Adobe Video
Production CS3 Master collection bundle which includes almost all that I use
now but in a CS3 version.

2. Buy a Mac Pro desktop with dual 2.66 ghz Zeon processors, 4 gig ram, 512
video card option and FCP Studio 2, plus also install Win XP and my current
production software and upgrade those to Mac versions as I can afford it. I
would eventually like to have my main production software (Photoshop, After
Effects Pro, Flash, Premiere Pro) in Mac versions.

Obviously, option 2 is more expensive, but the goal of my research in the
next few months is to determine if it's worth it in term of stability and
performance, and also feature set comparisons once Premiere Pro CS3
information is available.

Only you can judge feature sets. But do I detect an underlying desire
to believe that Macs MUST somehow be better? A longtime PC user
dreaming of another country where grass is greener?

Well, a brand new top-range Mac will certainly perform better than
your current PC. But then so will a brand new top-range PC. Both
platforms are currently in a transitional phase - Windows to Vista,
Mac to Intel. This causes the same sort of frustrations on either.

I work mainly in audio, dabble in video. I support users on both PC
and Mac. Both basically work fine, both have had a few problems and
occasional non-compatibility with some hardware.

When a program has both Mac and PC versions, it's usually the Mac
program that lacks a few extra features. Often I think this is
because you can't assume a Mac will have a multi-button and wheel
mouse (yes, I know it CAN :-)

Maybe it's different in video.

Luis,

A speed up of 2.5 to 3X using the same hardware is precisely the speed-up I
have been claiming was and is missing in the current Mac solution. A mere
$500 upgrade fee will get a FCP current user the speed which other
Intel-based NLE systems have been getting all along....When I made the
earlier comment that FCP was not optimized for the Intel platform, this is
what I was talking about.


Sorry if my prior comments have sounded like Mac bashing. My personal
accounting of Mac experiences were not necessarily at all typical, and I
will very likely buy another one at some future time. I was specifically
complaining about the now current Mac Pro Quad Xeon 3.0 as well as my prior
PowerMac Dual 3.0 with the current FCP Studio HD software. For my combined
$10,000 plus investment, I expected a lot more. The new ones are indeed a
lot faster, and this is long overdue....

Smarty


"Spex" wrote in message
...
Compressor 3 is completely multi-threaded
and again is optimised for multi core Macs and is 2.5-3x (using same
hardware) faster than Compressor 2.
My experience with Intel Macs and FCS1, Shake and a whole host of
universal binary applications is in marked contrast to Smarty's

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
...
Only you can judge feature sets. But do I detect an underlying desire
to believe that Macs MUST somehow be better? A longtime PC user
dreaming of another country where grass is greener?

Actually, I am not dreaming of greener grasses since I am a quite happy PC
user and don't have stability or performance issues with my setup.
My art lab will have a mix of Premiere Pro 1 PCs and FCP 4.5 Mac G5s next
year and I really need to be able to help the kids on both platforms, which
is why I am considering getting a Mac Pro for home.
I am really very torn at this stage because going to a Mac is going to cost
me more than upgrading my current setup and I could probably get a loan of a
small laptop from school to practice my FCP skills on. But I figure that
trying to run FCP 4.5 studio on a weak laptop will be an problematic
experience
I am personally impressed by FCP, and would like to use it myself, but I was
just looking through the features of Premiere Pro CS3 to find out if I could
answer my original question about it being optimized for quad core or even
core duo and the upcoming features on Premiere CS3 are also very impressive.
On Location allows me to do stop-motion animation from the camcorder right
into the hard drive which is a big plus for me. On Location is not
available for the Mac version of Premiere Pro CS3.
On the Mac side, I am very tempted by getting the best of both worlds if I
can run Windows programs natively and also have access to FCP Studio 2.
The Mac platform worries me a bit because I don't really know it, and when
you read the Apple user group forum on the Mac Pro you hear some weird
horror stories, from lots of freeze-ups to Mac Pros having a foul smell from
a faulty PSU- and this is from Mac true believers! The general feel I get
from reading that user group is that Macs are very finicky about some
hardware and software combinations and that the FCP software tends to freeze
up. Of course, I realize that user groups are full of people with problems
and for those that have everything working fine, which is hopefully the
majority, you don't hear their stories very much.
Sometimes choice is a real pain in the ass, especially when the choices are
so close.
Thanks for your advice.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:55:25 GMT, "Luis Ortega"
wrote:

I am really very torn at this stage because going to a Mac is going to cost
me more than upgrading my current setup and I could probably get a loan of a
small laptop from school to practice my FCP skills on. But I figure that
trying to run FCP 4.5 studio on a weak laptop will be an problematic
experience

Or maybe it would just limit the size of project you could
realistically load, and make rendering painfully slow. Might be a
good idea to try. Every week you hold off buying will get you more
for the same money :-)

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:55:25 GMT, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article Is the Adobe CS3 software optimized for quad core
processors?,
"Luis Ortega" wrote:

On Location is not available for the Mac version of Premiere Pro CS3.

True, and I don't know whether or not this will help in your
particular situation, but Adobe has stated in writing that OnLocation
CS3 will run on a Mac using Boot Camp.

--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/

Luis Ortega writes:

Luis Thanks, Spex,
Luis I have made no decision yet and in any case I am waiting until August right
Luis before we start school again to make my purchase, whatever that turns out to
Luis be.
Luis My two choices a

Luis 1. Upgrade my PC from my current P4 setup to a Core 2 Quad system (or Core 2
Luis Duo if the software can't exploit the quad performance) with new
Luis motherboard, 4 gig ram and 512 mb video card, and get the Adobe Video
Luis Production CS3 Master collection bundle which includes almost all that I use
Luis now but in a CS3 version.

Luis 2. Buy a Mac Pro desktop with dual 2.66 ghz Zeon processors, 4 gig ram, 512
Luis video card option and FCP Studio 2, plus also install Win XP and my current
Luis production software and upgrade those to Mac versions as I can afford it. I
Luis would eventually like to have my main production software (Photoshop, After
Luis Effects Pro, Flash, Premiere Pro) in Mac versions.

Adobe does not make a mac version of Premiere.

Luis Obviously, option 2 is more expensive, but the goal of my research in the
Luis next few months is to determine if it's worth it in term of stability and
Luis performance, and also feature set comparisons once Premiere Pro CS3
Luis information is available. I took a short course in FCP 5 studio so I am
Luis familiar now with its main features and am very impressed. It seems to have
Luis all of the features that I really like in Premiere Pro plus Avid and a few
Luis more, and the studio bundle software is also very impressive.

Luis I would appreciate anyone's advice on this, and thanks to all for their time
Luis and help.



Luis "Spex" wrote in message
news ...
Luis Ortega wrote:
Are the new and upcoming Adobe CS3 product suites that include Premiere
Pro, After Effects, Flash, Photoshop Extended, etc., optimized to get
performance benefits from the Intel quad core cpus?
If not, would the core 2 duo processors be a better buy for performance
with these programs?
Thanks for any advice.
FCP6 is optimised for the 8 core Mac Pro despite what you were told in the
other thread. More cores=more realtime streams and scales almost linearly
with No. of cores. Compressor 3 is completely multi-threaded and again is
optimised for multi core Macs and is 2.5-3x (using same hardware) faster
than Compressor 2.

The new CS3 packages are not scheduled for release until September is the
last I heard.

WRT performance you can download a public beta of Premiere CS3 to check
for yourself. FCS2 is not released until the end of May so direct
comparison will not be able to be made until then but I personally am not
expecting any difference between FCP and Premiere based on what I've been
told from someone who attended NAB.

My experience with Intel Macs and FCS1, Shake and a whole host of
universal binary applications is in marked contrast to Smarty's but then I
am only a freelance compositor working in broadcast and film so what do I
know??

S




--
Andrew Hall
(Now reading Usenet in rec.video.desktop...)