I wonder if anyone on this group can kindly supply some info, wifey kindly
bought me a Toshiba SD- P1700SE portable DVD player for my Christmas
present, feature wise it does everything I want, it supports MP3, Divex plus
a variety of memory cards.

Unfortunately however the displayed image can only be described as being
bloody awful, if any object starts to move in a vertical direction it
displays what can only be described as line pairing, similar to watching a
simple PAL, or conventional PAL receiver with a knackered delay line.

IMO the original UK 405 lines with dodgy interlace would display better
results.

Does anyone know if this is normal for this type of receiver, which
according to the spec delivers 480H x 234V (which admittedly certainly
doesn't sound too inspiring, but after all it's a only a seven inch LCD
screen) and with a brand name like Toshiba, and the sort price I guess she
paid for it, I would have expected a lot better and I certainly don't want
to upset her by telling her that it's a load of painfully almost unwatchable
****e.

TIA Ivan

"Ivan" wrote in message
.uk...

Does anyone know if this is normal for this type of receiver, which
according to the spec delivers 480H x 234V (which admittedly certainly
doesn't sound too inspiring, but after all it's a only a seven inch LCD
screen) and with a brand name like Toshiba, and the sort price I guess she
paid for it, I would have expected a lot better and I certainly don't want
to upset her by telling her that it's a load of painfully almost
unwatchable
****e.

My little no-name LCD player looks better playing back in NTSC mode. Perhaps
you should go into the setup menu and switch between the settings to see
which is better...?

G Hardy wrote:
"Ivan" wrote in message
.uk...

Does anyone know if this is normal for this type of receiver, which
according to the spec delivers 480H x 234V (which admittedly
certainly doesn't sound too inspiring, but after all it's a only a
seven inch LCD screen) and with a brand name like Toshiba, and the
sort price I guess she paid for it, I would have expected a lot
better and I certainly don't want to upset her by telling her that
it's a load of painfully almost unwatchable
****e.

My little no-name LCD player looks better playing back in NTSC mode.
Perhaps you should go into the setup menu and switch between the
settings to see which is better...?


The menu seems a very basic with no PAL/NTSC settings available, although
the spec says under 'Signal System' PAL/3.58 NTSC.

I found out today that the wife paid £140 for this piece of equipment, yet
my daughter bought two Tvion DVD players (at a cost of £59 each) from Liddle
for the grandchildren as Christmas presents, and yes you've guessed it, the
picture quality is excellent! so I'm assuming that there is a fault with the
Toshiba.

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the same
problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods aren't fit for
purpose.

In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the same
problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods aren't fit for
purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for new,
you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I know it's
crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here in the UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new one -
you then have the three choices.

--
Tony Morgan

Tony Morgan wrote:
In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the same
problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods aren't
fit for purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for new,
you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I know it's
crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here in the UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new one -
you then have the three choices.

Thanks Tony for that very useful piece of information, and I'll ask to view
before I repurchase.

I hope they won't think I'm being a pain, but I find the problem so
distracting as to make it unwatchable.

By the way it's not present when connected up to a 28 inch CRT TV via its
'composite' output (another moan, for that kind of money one would have
expected at least an RGB output would also have been included) so it appears
to be tied up with the actual LCD display.

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:43:55 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Tony Morgan wrote:
In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the same
problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods aren't
fit for purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for new,
you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I know it's
crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here in the UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new one -
you then have the three choices.

Thanks Tony for that very useful piece of information, and I'll ask to view
before I repurchase.

I hope they won't think I'm being a pain, but I find the problem so
distracting as to make it unwatchable.

By the way it's not present when connected up to a 28 inch CRT TV via its
'composite' output (another moan, for that kind of money one would have
expected at least an RGB output would also have been included) so it appears
to be tied up with the actual LCD display.


Even is they DO think you're being a pain, it's their problem, not
yours. Great numbers of people, when needing to return faulty goods to
a supplier, begin with: "I'm sorry to be a nuisance, but..." This
means you are apologising for somebody else's problem!

By far a better approach is to simply state politely that the item
appears to be faulty and that you would like a refund. This
no-nonsense and confident approach pays dividends for your peace of
mind when making future purchases of any sort.

Sorry if this is a bit of topic, but as a practicing psychotherapist,
consumer confidence is an area that I frequently work in!

Terence Watts

Terence Watts wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:43:55 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Tony Morgan wrote:
In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the
same problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods
aren't fit for purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for
new, you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I know
it's crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here in the
UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new one
- you then have the three choices.

Thanks Tony for that very useful piece of information, and I'll ask
to view before I repurchase.

I hope they won't think I'm being a pain, but I find the problem so
distracting as to make it unwatchable.

By the way it's not present when connected up to a 28 inch CRT TV
via its 'composite' output (another moan, for that kind of money one
would have expected at least an RGB output would also have been
included) so it appears to be tied up with the actual LCD display.


Even is they DO think you're being a pain, it's their problem, not
yours. Great numbers of people, when needing to return faulty goods to
a supplier, begin with: "I'm sorry to be a nuisance, but..." This
means you are apologising for somebody else's problem!

By far a better approach is to simply state politely that the item
appears to be faulty and that you would like a refund. This
no-nonsense and confident approach pays dividends for your peace of
mind when making future purchases of any sort.

Sorry if this is a bit of topic, but as a practicing psychotherapist,
consumer confidence is an area that I frequently work in!


I would say that it is reasonably on topic by virtue of the fact that there
are no doubt others reading these newsgroups who will be facing a similar
kind of situation.

I'm recovering after a recent heart attack and it seems that my wife wanted
to buy me something a bit special for Christmas this year.

She knew roughly what I wanted and obviously relied on the sales persons
choice after telling him some of the features I was looking for.

Funny thing, only a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that there are
millions of unsuitable presents not returned after Christmas, because people
don't want to hurt feelings, lack of a receipt, or simply think that the
whole thing is too much hassle.


Terence Watts

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:00:12 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Terence Watts wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:43:55 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Tony Morgan wrote:
In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the
same problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods
aren't fit for purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for
new, you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I know
it's crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here in the
UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new one
- you then have the three choices.

Thanks Tony for that very useful piece of information, and I'll ask
to view before I repurchase.

I hope they won't think I'm being a pain, but I find the problem so
distracting as to make it unwatchable.

By the way it's not present when connected up to a 28 inch CRT TV
via its 'composite' output (another moan, for that kind of money one
would have expected at least an RGB output would also have been
included) so it appears to be tied up with the actual LCD display.


Even is they DO think you're being a pain, it's their problem, not
yours. Great numbers of people, when needing to return faulty goods to
a supplier, begin with: "I'm sorry to be a nuisance, but..." This
means you are apologising for somebody else's problem!

By far a better approach is to simply state politely that the item
appears to be faulty and that you would like a refund. This
no-nonsense and confident approach pays dividends for your peace of
mind when making future purchases of any sort.

Sorry if this is a bit of topic, but as a practicing psychotherapist,
consumer confidence is an area that I frequently work in!


I would say that it is reasonably on topic by virtue of the fact that there
are no doubt others reading these newsgroups who will be facing a similar
kind of situation.

I'm recovering after a recent heart attack and it seems that my wife wanted
to buy me something a bit special for Christmas this year.

She knew roughly what I wanted and obviously relied on the sales persons
choice after telling him some of the features I was looking for.

Funny thing, only a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that there are
millions of unsuitable presents not returned after Christmas, because people
don't want to hurt feelings, lack of a receipt, or simply think that the
whole thing is too much hassle.


Terence Watts

I wish you a speedy return to full health!

Terence

Terence Watts wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:00:12 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Terence Watts wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:43:55 GMT, "Ivan"
wrote:

Tony Morgan wrote:
In message , Ivan
writes
Snipped....

I will get it replaced next week and if the new one exhibits the
same problem then I will be demanding a total refund as the goods
aren't fit for purpose.

I should perhaps remind you that you have a choice of a refund, a
repair, or exchange for a new one. If you choose the exchange for
new, you can't then ask for a refund, only another exchange. I
know it's crazy - but that's the way that consumer law works here
in the UK.

Having said that - if you first choose a refund, then buy a new
one - you then have the three choices.

Thanks Tony for that very useful piece of information, and I'll ask
to view before I repurchase.

I hope they won't think I'm being a pain, but I find the problem so
distracting as to make it unwatchable.

By the way it's not present when connected up to a 28 inch CRT TV
via its 'composite' output (another moan, for that kind of money
one would have expected at least an RGB output would also have been
included) so it appears to be tied up with the actual LCD display.


Even is they DO think you're being a pain, it's their problem, not
yours. Great numbers of people, when needing to return faulty goods
to a supplier, begin with: "I'm sorry to be a nuisance, but..." This
means you are apologising for somebody else's problem!

By far a better approach is to simply state politely that the item
appears to be faulty and that you would like a refund. This
no-nonsense and confident approach pays dividends for your peace of
mind when making future purchases of any sort.

Sorry if this is a bit of topic, but as a practicing
psychotherapist, consumer confidence is an area that I frequently
work in!


I would say that it is reasonably on topic by virtue of the fact
that there are no doubt others reading these newsgroups who will be
facing a similar kind of situation.

I'm recovering after a recent heart attack and it seems that my wife
wanted to buy me something a bit special for Christmas this year.

She knew roughly what I wanted and obviously relied on the sales
persons choice after telling him some of the features I was looking
for.

Funny thing, only a few minutes ago I heard on the radio that there
are millions of unsuitable presents not returned after Christmas,
because people don't want to hurt feelings, lack of a receipt, or
simply think that the whole thing is too much hassle.


Terence Watts

I wish you a speedy return to full health!


Thanks, Ivan


Terence