Last night I recorded 118mins of miniDV footage onto a DVD-RW disc via
firewire from Canon MV900 to Liteon LVW 5006 standalone DVD Recorder.

I did it twice as the first -RW disc had a scratch which ruined the
recording. So it records in real time great! BUT I think it recorded in 4:3
rather then widescreen as when I brought up the display while playing back
the DVD it said 4:3.

It is fullscreen and there are no borders when playing on my LCD widescreen
TV so I thought it was 16:9 but apparently not. So my question how much
longer does it take to capture via firewire on a PC (you capture in realtime
I presume - edit then encode into mpeg2 audio_ts/video_ts before burning am
I right?).

Also do you know of any DVD recorders that can record from the firewire port
in widescreen / whats the difference as my 4:3 recording is fits the screen
and looks the same as it did on the camera as far as I can tell.

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Last night I recorded 118mins of miniDV footage onto a DVD-RW disc via
firewire from Canon MV900 to Liteon LVW 5006 standalone DVD Recorder.

I did it twice as the first -RW disc had a scratch which ruined the
recording. So it records in real time great! BUT I think it recorded in
4:3
rather then widescreen as when I brought up the display while playing back
the DVD it said 4:3.

It is fullscreen and there are no borders when playing on my LCD
widescreen
TV so I thought it was 16:9 but apparently not. So my question how much
longer does it take to capture via firewire on a PC (you capture in
realtime
I presume - edit then encode into mpeg2 audio_ts/video_ts before burning
am
I right?).

Also do you know of any DVD recorders that can record from the firewire
port
in widescreen / whats the difference as my 4:3 recording is fits the
screen
and looks the same as it did on the camera as far as I can tell.



Anamorphic widescreen is used, so that apart from the widescreen bit being
set, 4:3 and 16:9 have the same resolution.

Nick Le Lievre wrote:

Last night I recorded 118mins of miniDV footage onto a DVD-RW disc
via firewire from Canon MV900 to Liteon LVW 5006 standalone DVD
Recorder.

I did it twice as the first -RW disc had a scratch which ruined the
recording. So it records in real time great! BUT I think it recorded
in 4:3 rather then widescreen as when I brought up the display while
playing back the DVD it said 4:3.

You could perhaps rip the video off the DVD on your computer, patch the
MPEG-2 headers to 16:9, and reauthor it. See these tools:

SmartRipper:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SmartRipper
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/sr.htm

DVDPatcher:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=DVDPatcher

Also do you know of any DVD recorders that can record from the
firewire port in widescreen / whats the difference as my 4:3
recording is fits the screen and looks the same as it did on the
camera as far as I can tell.

If it was recorded in full-screen format (without black bars on any side
in the MPEG-2 data - you can check this by examining the VOB files in
VirtualDubMod [1]), the only difference would be that the material was
incorrectly flagged as "4:3". Since modern tv sets usually obey WSS
(widescreen signalling) coming from the DVD player, they might
automatically switch their mode to 4:3 unless you manually force them
into the 16:9 mode.

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[1] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?gro
up_id=65889&package_id=63653&release_id=352709

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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

Last night I recorded 118mins of miniDV footage onto a DVD-RW disc
via firewire from Canon MV900 to Liteon LVW 5006 standalone DVD
Recorder.

I did it twice as the first -RW disc had a scratch which ruined the
recording. So it records in real time great! BUT I think it recorded
in 4:3 rather then widescreen as when I brought up the display while
playing back the DVD it said 4:3.

You could perhaps rip the video off the DVD on your computer, patch the
MPEG-2 headers to 16:9, and reauthor it. See these tools:

SmartRipper:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SmartRipper
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/sr.htm

DVDPatcher:

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=DVDPatcher

Also do you know of any DVD recorders that can record from the
firewire port in widescreen / whats the difference as my 4:3
recording is fits the screen and looks the same as it did on the
camera as far as I can tell.

If it was recorded in full-screen format (without black bars on any side
in the MPEG-2 data - you can check this by examining the VOB files in
VirtualDubMod [1]), the only difference would be that the material was
incorrectly flagged as "4:3". Since modern tv sets usually obey WSS
(widescreen signalling) coming from the DVD player, they might
automatically switch their mode to 4:3 unless you manually force them
into the 16:9 mode.


When the camera is connected to the DVD Recorder it is full screen with no
borders either at the top or at the sides the TV is set to AUTO mode but if
I set it to 16:9 some of the picture goes missing off the screen... if I set
the TV to 4:3 there are black borders at either side of the screen but the
picture fills the screen top and bottom. The DVD Recorder is set to playback
in 16:9 but I find when I play a widescreen DVD there are borders at the top
and bottom of the screen unless I set 16:9 in which case the people look
tall and thin.

Nick Le Lievre wrote:

When the camera is connected to the DVD Recorder it is full screen
with no borders either at the top or at the sides the TV is set to
AUTO mode but if I set it to 16:9 some of the picture goes missing
off the screen... if I set the TV to 4:3 there are black borders at
either side of the screen but the picture fills the screen top and
bottom.

Aspect ratio issues can be a bit tricky. It sounds like the "16:9"
setting on your tv set is really a centre cut-out of a 4:3 picture -
intended for zooming into a letterboxed 16:9 area within a 4:3 frame
(16L12 - 16F16).

The DVD Recorder is set to playback in 16:9 but I find when I play a
widescreen DVD there are borders at the top and bottom of the screen
unless I set 16:9 in which case the people look tall and thin.

Commercial widescreen DVDs are usually Hollywood movies and the like -
i.e. they originated on film. The widescreen film formats are wider than
16:9. Hence, when widescreen films are converted to widescreen DVDs,
they still need smallish black bars at the top and bottom - to make the
(wider) film frame fit inside a 16:9 video frame.

The other option would be cutting off the sides. This is indeed done in
_some_ film-to-DVD transfers, but movie enthusiasts don't usually like
that method because it alters the original picture composition - the one
the director had in mind.

Widescreen (16F16) video shot with a video camera is a different
matter - it should always fill the entire 16:9 frame.

See these links for more thorough explanations:

http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm

http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_...ion_a_z/anamor
phic.htm

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...aspectratios/w
idescreenorama.html

You might also want to study the AABCC nomenclature (terms such as
"12F12", "16L12", "16F16", etc.) That system makes aspect ratio
discussions easier and less ambiguous:




ws.jippii.net


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"Jukka Aho" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

When the camera is connected to the DVD Recorder it is full screen
with no borders either at the top or at the sides the TV is set to
AUTO mode but if I set it to 16:9 some of the picture goes missing
off the screen... if I set the TV to 4:3 there are black borders at
either side of the screen but the picture fills the screen top and
bottom.

Aspect ratio issues can be a bit tricky. It sounds like the "16:9"
setting on your tv set is really a centre cut-out of a 4:3 picture -
intended for zooming into a letterboxed 16:9 area within a 4:3 frame
(16L12 - 16F16).


I ripped the DVD to the hard drive and played it back in PowerDVD on a 17"
CRT it has black borders at the top and bottom whereas this disc plays
fullscreen no borders on my DVD Recorder connected to LCD widescreen TV does
this mean its already been recorded in widescreen by my DVD Recorder?

"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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"Jukka Aho" wrote in message
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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

When the camera is connected to the DVD Recorder it is full screen
with no borders either at the top or at the sides the TV is set to
AUTO mode but if I set it to 16:9 some of the picture goes missing
off the screen... if I set the TV to 4:3 there are black borders at
either side of the screen but the picture fills the screen top and
bottom.

Aspect ratio issues can be a bit tricky. It sounds like the "16:9"
setting on your tv set is really a centre cut-out of a 4:3 picture -
intended for zooming into a letterboxed 16:9 area within a 4:3 frame
(16L12 - 16F16).


I ripped the DVD to the hard drive and played it back in PowerDVD on a 17"
CRT it has black borders at the top and bottom whereas this disc plays
fullscreen no borders on my DVD Recorder connected to LCD widescreen TV
does
this mean its already been recorded in widescreen by my DVD Recorder?


Further... I used ifoedit to view the .ifo file on the DVD and it says 4:3
then I used the Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD to edit the files I ripped from
the disc in that program you can set 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio for the
resulting DVD. I set 16:9 and checked the result with ifoedit and it said
16:9 but both the original DVD and the DVD created with Mpeg Video Wizard
play the same in PowerDVD with borders at the top and bottom. So I guess its
just the header information that is wrong on the original DVD it is 16:9 but
the Recorder has flagged it as 4:3.




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Nick Le Lievre wrote:

I ripped the DVD to the hard drive and played it back in PowerDVD on
a 17" CRT it has black borders at the top and bottom whereas this
disc plays fullscreen no borders on my DVD Recorder connected to LCD
widescreen TV does this mean its already been recorded in widescreen
by my DVD Recorder?

Open the ripped MPEG-2 file in VirtualDubMod (for which I already
provided a download link in one of the earlier messages in this thread.)

VirtualDubMod is a great tool for analysing video problems since it
displays the raw video frames "as is" - without deinterlacing or scaling
them like the media players might do. Examine the clip in VirtualDubMod
and see if it has has black borders there. Then report back here.

(VirtualDub also allows saving individual video frames to PNG files. You
could save a sample frame and upload it to a web server so we could take
a look at it.)

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"Nick Le Lievre" wrote in message
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Further... I used ifoedit to view the .ifo file on the DVD and it says 4:3
then I used the Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD to edit the files I ripped
from
the disc in that program you can set 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio for the
resulting DVD. I set 16:9 and checked the result with ifoedit and it said
16:9 but both the original DVD and the DVD created with Mpeg Video Wizard
play the same in PowerDVD with borders at the top and bottom. So I guess
its
just the header information that is wrong on the original DVD it is 16:9
but
the Recorder has flagged it as 4:3.


Actually I just noticed there is a slight difference between the two
streams. The stream flagged as 4:3 has a double border down the left and
right side of the screen when the DVD is played in window mode squashed down
to the smallest screen size. The stream thats been edited to 16:9 only has a
left/right border of one thickness when played in window mode of the same
size but both play the same when full screen with a border at the
top/bottom. So I guess changing the flag does something here's an article I
found about it http://www.dvdr-digest.com/articles/...lag_page1.html




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