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What type of firewire cable



 
 
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Old December 3rd 06, 04:02 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Nick Le Lievre
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Default What type of firewire cable

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder ?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?

Thanks


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Old December 3rd 06, 05:06 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
G Hardy
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Default What type of firewire cable

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder
?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


From the limited amount I've been able to find, it would be 4pin to 4pin,
based on the recorder's specification showing the front-panel IEEE1394 to be
a "mini port". The camera will certainly be 4pin. You need to look at your
camera and your recorder and decide for youself. If the DVD recorder's
firewire port is the bigger one, then it's 6pin. If it looks just the same
as the one on the camera, then it's 4pin.


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Old December 3rd 06, 05:26 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Nick Le Lievre
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Default What type of firewire cable

"G Hardy" wrote in message
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Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD

Recorder
?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


From the limited amount I've been able to find, it would be 4pin to 4pin,
based on the recorder's specification showing the front-panel IEEE1394 to

be
a "mini port". The camera will certainly be 4pin. You need to look at your
camera and your recorder and decide for youself. If the DVD recorder's
firewire port is the bigger one, then it's 6pin. If it looks just the same
as the one on the camera, then it's 4pin.


Ok thanks for your help. I`ll take a look at it.


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Old December 3rd 06, 05:49 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
G Hardy
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Default What type of firewire cable

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


From the limited amount I've been able to find, it would be 4pin to 4pin,
based on the recorder's specification showing the front-panel IEEE1394 to
be a "mini port". The camera will certainly be 4pin. You need to look at
your camera and your recorder and decide for youself. If the DVD
recorder's firewire port is the bigger one, then it's 6pin. If it looks
just the same as the one on the camera, then it's 4pin.


Just downloaded the manual, and yes - it's 4pin to 4pin.


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Old December 3rd 06, 06:56 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Laurence Payne
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Default What type of firewire cable

On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:02:12 -0000, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder ?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


The picture of the Lite-On appears to show a 4-pin. The camera will
certainly be a 4-pin.

I assume you don't yet own the equipment? Else you'd just look :-)
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Old December 4th 06, 08:31 AM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Nick Le Lievre
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Default What type of firewire cable

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:02:12 -0000, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder

?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


The picture of the Lite-On appears to show a 4-pin. The camera will
certainly be a 4-pin.

I assume you don't yet own the equipment? Else you'd just look :-)


I have the Lite-On at home but I`m not there this weekend so I can't look...
the MV900 is in the post.


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Old December 4th 06, 01:59 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Margaret Willmer
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Default What type of firewire cable

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 17:02:12 -0000, "Nick Le Lievre"
wrote:

Would go from a Canon MV900 camcorder into a Lite-On LVW5006 DVD Recorder ?
Is it 6 pin to 4 pin? and is it the same as the one for the computer?


The picture of the Lite-On appears to show a 4-pin. The camera will
certainly be a 4-pin.

I assume you don't yet own the equipment? Else you'd just look :-)


Please would someone point me to a FAQ?

I have both copied DV to VHS and edited video on my PC using Pinnacle
and now Premiere Elements and saved back to tape and made DVDs. All
this is fairly straightforward.

What happens when you connect a DV camcorder to a stand alone DVD
recorder? What does the DVD recorder do to the data to make a DVD.
Does it take ages? and what quality is it? Somewhere there must be an
description of the process, codecs etc.

Thanks folks
Margaret
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Old December 4th 06, 07:18 PM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
G Hardy
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Default What type of firewire cable


I have both copied DV to VHS and edited video on my PC using Pinnacle
and now Premiere Elements and saved back to tape and made DVDs. All this
is fairly straightforward.

What happens when you connect a DV camcorder to a stand alone DVD
recorder? What does the DVD recorder do to the data to make a DVD. Does
it take ages? and what quality is it? Somewhere there must be an
description of the process, codecs etc.


If anything, the second paragraph is even more straightforward than the
first. DV transfer* is a strictly real-time process, like the VHS tapes. The
DVD recorder in question can control the camera when connected via firewire,
so you can cue the tape to the point you want before you start recording.
The recorder will have the necessary decoder built-in to convert this DV
data to a picture. The built-in encoder will convert that picture to MPEG.
The same will happen with the audio, which will be converted from DV to AC3,
MPA or PCM.

The only thing that really changes is the data rate. This has a direct
relationship with the amount of time you can get on a single disc. Dropping
the data rate means that it takes less bytes for a given duration, meaning
you get more duration on the disc. It's possible even to quarter (roughly)
the size of the picture to 352x288 just so you can get the data rate down
even further. For 6 hours to fit on a single-layer DVD, the video needs to
be encoded at the sort of quality you get on a VCD.



* A firewire transfer, unlike an analogue capture (which is still an
available option with this camera and recorder) is just a data stream being
transmitted. It is the recorder that converts this stream to picture,
whereas if you use the composite or S-video (the outputs you'd use to go
direct from camera to TV) the camera does the conversion from DV data a
picture, this is sent down the analogue wire, and the recorder encodes the
ready-made picture.


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Old December 5th 06, 07:55 AM posted to uk.rec.video.digital
Jukka Aho
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Default What type of firewire cable

G Hardy wrote:

The [DVD] recorder will have the necessary decoder built-in to convert
this DV data to a picture. The built-in encoder will convert that
picture to MPEG. The same will happen with
the audio, which will be converted from DV to AC3, MPA or PCM.


Hmm, isn't DV audio uncompressed PCM data [1] to begin with?

(Of course, if you use the 4-channel 12-bit 32 kHz option instead of the
2-channel 16-bit 48 kHz mode, the DVD recorder needs to downmix the four
channels and umpsample the data to 48 kHz.)

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[1] http://www.adamwilt.com/DV-tech.html
http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2004-
August/037646.html
http://www.slb.org/beepfix.html

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