I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video capture
is possible straight from the camera without having to record a tape
first. That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm cine film.

But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera and
cine projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5 metre
cables advertised is this as long as they can be?

Many thanks

Margaret

"Margaret Willmer" wrote in
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I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video
capture
is possible straight from the camera without having to record a
tape
first. That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm
cine film.

But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera
and
cine projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5 metre
cables advertised is this as long as they can be?


100 meters, 200 meters, 500 meters (with the correct repeaters), it's
down to what you want to spend vs. the cost of getting someone else
do the conversion, how many feet of film have you got to convert -
you might find this URL useful in deciding if it's worth the bother
of trying to do this yourself,
http://www.videostudio.co.uk/efvcine.htm

Jerry wrote:
"Margaret Willmer" wrote in
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I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video
capture
is possible straight from the camera without having to record a
tape
first. That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm
cine film.
But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera
and
cine projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5 metre
cables advertised is this as long as they can be?


100 meters, 200 meters, 500 meters (with the correct repeaters), it's
down to what you want to spend vs. the cost of getting someone else
do the conversion, how many feet of film have you got to convert -
you might find this URL useful in deciding if it's worth the bother
of trying to do this yourself,
http://www.videostudio.co.uk/efvcine.htm


Thank you for your reply. We had thought of getting them transferred
professionally but have left it too late for this Christmas.

We thought it might be fun to do a few ourselves as we do want to see
them. If it proves too difficult or time consuming we'll revert to the
pros!

I suspect that the fps issue will arise - we can but try.

I'll go out and buy a long firewire cable and I've ordered a huge HD

Margaret

"Margaret Willmer" wrote in
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[ re cine transfer to video ]

I suspect that the fps issue will arise - we can but try.

Indeed...

In message ews.net,
Jerry writes

"Margaret Willmer" wrote in
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I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video
capture
is possible straight from the camera without having to record a
tape
first. That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm
cine film.

But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera
and
cine projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5 metre
cables advertised is this as long as they can be?


100 meters, 200 meters, 500 meters (with the correct repeaters), it's
down to what you want to spend vs. the cost of getting someone else
do the conversion, how many feet of film have you got to convert -
you might find this URL useful in deciding if it's worth the bother
of trying to do this yourself,
http://www.videostudio.co.uk/efvcine.htm

I'm afraid you're wrong there Jerry.

The specification for FireWire (also known as i.link or IEEE 1394)
states that the maximum length of a FireWire cable is 4.5 meters (14.5
feet). As a result, you cannot extend the distance of your FireWire
device more than 14.5 feet without using an "active" extension cable.

There is, however a new 1394b standard. 1394b cables use a new 9-pin
connector and newer cable specification and are capable of longer cable
lengths, even up to 33 feet. Unfortunately even with the higher gauges
and better performance of the new 1394b spec cables, interfacing 1394a
components over long lengths is still a hit or miss proposition without
using fibre optic or cat5 extension solutions.

No currently available consumer Firewire ports are 1394b, nor do any
current video cameras offer 1394b.

So the bottom line is that you can't connect current video cameras by
firewire over longer distances than 4.5m unless you use an active
connection.
--
Tony Morgan

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In message
ews.net,
Jerry writes

"Margaret Willmer" wrote in
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I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video
capture
is possible straight from the camera without having to record a
tape
first. That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm
cine film.

But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera
and
cine projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5
metre
cables advertised is this as long as they can be?


100 meters, 200 meters, 500 meters (with the correct repeaters),
it's
down to what you want to spend vs. the cost of getting someone
else
do the conversion, how many feet of film have you got to convert -
you might find this URL useful in deciding if it's worth the
bother
of trying to do this yourself,
http://www.videostudio.co.uk/efvcine.htm

I'm afraid you're wrong there Jerry.
snip your ignorance

Try reading what I said, then try Googleing for long firewire cables,
or follow this URL
http://www.datavideo.info/products/dvcablesrep.htm, I respectfully
suggest that you keep up with what is happening in the real world...

OK, I might have been pushing the envelope at 500 meters!

"Margaret Willmer" wrote in message
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I have just discovered (oh dear I hear you all say) that video capture is
possible straight from the camera without having to record a tape first.
That means I can have a go at capturing direct from 8mm cine film.

But, how long can a firewire cable be? I want to set the camera and cine
projector a few metres away from the PC. I've found 4.5 metre cables
advertised is this as long as they can be?

Many thanks

Margaret

Hi Margaret,

just a suggestion, in case it slips your mind or you han't though of it -
when capturing, you might want to consider setting the focus and exposure
manually on your DV camera, if it's possible. Otherwise, you *might* run
into problems with the end result.

Cheers,
Gareth

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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No currently available consumer Firewire ports are 1394b

I have 2 that came with my MoBo.

Rob

Exactly! There are many 1394b on market now, most of them should be working
only with 64 bus, but some of the very wide range are able to use 32 bus.

There is another funny joke. Almost all electronic store managers tell that
Firewire is much better and faster than USB. But that's not correct because
current USB2 which is very popular is 480 mbit/sec. Firewire without any
chars - means 1394a - it's only 400 mbit/sec. 1394b is more expensive and
can be sold for sure but should be discussed separately.

Just D.

"RobDee" wrote in message
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"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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No currently available consumer Firewire ports are 1394b

I have 2 that came with my MoBo.

Rob

Just Di wrote:
There is another funny joke. Almost all electronic store managers tell that
Firewire is much better and faster than USB. But that's not correct because
current USB2 which is very popular is 480 mbit/sec. Firewire without any
chars - means 1394a - it's only 400 mbit/sec.

Google for "firewire vs usb2 actual throughput" to see why this isn't
the case. Or, since this is a video newsgroup, try connecting your DV
camera via USB2 and capturing from it.

Nik