Paul Healy wrote:
Answer = Topfield TF5800 PVR
yeah! but where can I get one from where the supplier is not useless?

In message , OldBill
writes
You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for. However, your
VCRs will be scrap by time analogue is switched off. Then you will
perhaps have something like a dual channel PVR that costs in real terms
less than one VCR
But what about those of us who have built up extensive libraries of
irreplaceable videotaped programmes? And what about transporting
recordings to other places? Are there machines that transfer from PVR
to DVD or VCR?
--
Trevor Wright

In article ,
lid says...


In a few years vcr will be dead anyway. You will be better using on of these
http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/p.../source/kelkoo


Why should his VCR be dead in a few years? People still got old tapes
they like to watch and maybe they don't want to go out and pay nearly
£200 for a PVR. I suppose a DVD recorder is ok, but I have looked at a
load of these and so far they are all about as useless as each other.

Anyway, we was told that the audio cassette tape will die in a few years
and that was a few years ago. It is still going strong.

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says...


But not that make, which got such awful reviews its being discounted

Also these PVR's can not really replace the VCR. They are fine for
recording things you are going to watch and then get rid of, but some
things you may want to keep.

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says...


You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for. However, your
VCRs will be scrap by time analogue is switched off. Then you will
perhaps have something like a dual channel PVR that costs in real terms
less than one VCR


VCRs can last for years, I got one here that is over 13 years old and
still works as good now as when it was new, I also got a newer one which
is about 2 years old and I am thinking of getting a third and keeping it
in storage, so I got another one, just in case one goes belly up.

PVrs are not a replacement, the thing that do replace a VCR is a DVD
recorder and they are coming down in price, but they all seems to have
problems, even the more expensive ones.

In article ,
says...


You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for. However, your
VCRs will be scrap by time analogue is switched off. Then you will
perhaps have something like a dual channel PVR that costs in real terms
less than one VCR
But what about those of us who have built up extensive libraries of
irreplaceable videotaped programmes? And what about transporting
recordings to other places? Are there machines that transfer from PVR
to DVD or VCR?




You can transfer to DVD with a DVD recorder, the same way as you would
do so from tape to tape. There are problems here as well.
Because you are making a second generation recording, you are losing
quality, it do not matter that you are putting it onto a digital system,
you are still recording from an analogue source though a analoguee
system.
The other problem si if you got pre-recorded videos, not all of then
will copy across, due to protection.

I think the VHS will still be with us for a good long while yet, even if
Dixons do not think so, I see Currys are still selling them, which is
very strange.

In message , Ad C
writes
In article ,
says...


You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for. However, your
VCRs will be scrap by time analogue is switched off. Then you will
perhaps have something like a dual channel PVR that costs in real terms
less than one VCR
But what about those of us who have built up extensive libraries of
irreplaceable videotaped programmes? And what about transporting
recordings to other places? Are there machines that transfer from PVR
to DVD or VCR?




You can transfer to DVD with a DVD recorder, the same way as you would
do so from tape to tape. There are problems here as well.
Because you are making a second generation recording, you are losing
quality, it do not matter that you are putting it onto a digital system,
you are still recording from an analogue source though a analoguee
system.
The other problem si if you got pre-recorded videos, not all of then
will copy across, due to protection.

I think the VHS will still be with us for a good long while yet, even if
Dixons do not think so, I see Currys are still selling them, which is
very strange.


Indeed. It's also noteworthy that the major AV companies are not only
selling VCRs. but are still introducing new models.

For example, JVC currently manufacture and sell no less than 19 VCR
models, and have only just introduced two new-model VCRs (the HR-V615EK,
and HRS-697EK).

I'd also suggest that none of the Dixon Group retailers are the best
people to get *any* sort of advice from.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

"OldBill" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:
At present I have two video recorders which I use for recording two
different programmes at the same time, especialy when I'm out at the times
they are being broadcast.

I undersatnd that set top boxes are available for use with conventional TVs,
but how will that help me record differet programmes at the same time?

You usage is non-typical so will be not be catered for.

I don't think its all that untypical. All that I know have two set top boxes
for this reason, or to watch one and record the other. Those who bought pace
twins probably did so for the same reason too.

Roger

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...
At present I have two video recorders which I use for recording two
different programmes at the same time, especialy when I'm out at the times
they are being broadcast.

I undersatnd that set top boxes are available for use with conventional
TVs,
but how will that help me record differet programmes at the same time?

In 3 years when analogue switch-off is supposed to start, there will still
be millions of perfectly servicable VCRs out there along with libraries of
tapes which people don't want to lose. People will therefore have to buy a
new recorder (hard-disk or DVD or both) for new recordings and keep their
VCR as a playback-only device.

Of course, the problem with using a digibox with a VCR or other recorder is
that you can't use the recorder's timer to set the channel to record. The
solutions to that are clumsy at best and probably beyond a large proportion
of the buying public who want ease-of-use, not a basket full of remotes and
a nest of SCART cables which only their teenage son understands.

I recently bought a PVR / DVD recorder which I got for a good price at
Richer Sounds. The down-side of this unit is that it's analogue only so in a
few short years, I will have problems with it. Why did I buy a non-DVB
recorder? Because I wanted a hard-disk/DVD recorder combination and the
options are very limited at the moment. It amazes me that the vast majority
of models available on the high-street are still without digital tuners.

If people can knock-out a STB for £30 with power supply etc, it must be
possible to incorporate one into a recorder for about £15 above the cost of
the analogue tuner - or even include both for about £20 - so why are we not
seeing digital recorders becoming the norm yet?

Here's a prediction:
When the switch-off starts to happen, despite all the pre-warning, vast
numbers of people will be caught without suitable equipment (particularly
the elderly). Digiboxes will be in short supply and priced to take advantage
of the situation. Digital-enabled recorders will be even rarer Aerial
installers will be swamped with people who have left it until the last
minute to go digital, only to find that their aerial is inadequate and their
loop-aerial on their bedroom portable is a waste of space. There will be an
outcry, newspapers will get involved and switch-off will be delayed for
another year or more.

Adrian

"Roger R" wrote in message
...
I don't think its all that untypical. All that I know have two set top
boxes
for this reason, or to watch one and record the other. Those who bought
pace
twins probably did so for the same reason too.

I don't think that I am untypical of VCR users either.

Until recently, I did all my recording on two VCRs. I hardly ever watch
pre-recorded tapes / DVDs and used VCRs almost exclusively for
time-shifting. The second VCR was more often used to allow me to watch the
first half of a film whilst the second half was being recorded. I now have a
PVR which covers that scenareo much better.

Adrian