"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Grumps
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Just a quick note; I saw the HC42E on ebuyer for £324.99 (no stock
though).

You'd be far better bidding for one of the brand new Sony DCR-TRV30Es
currently on Ebay.

Functionally and performance-wise, the TRV30E is very similar to the
later top-end Sonys - TRV80, HC85 etc. With the advantage that it
doesn't rely on the touch-screen for operation.

Can you point me to any online specs for the TRV30E?

Personally, I have no problem getting an 'older' model for the right price.
A quick search on ebay has shown that one guy is selling a dozen of these
things (or was it 10?). HTF do you get hold of a dozen camcorders, a dozen
digicams, and a dozen PDS/phones?! It does sound a little strange.

In message , Grumps
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"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Grumps
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Just a quick note; I saw the HC42E on ebuyer for £324.99 (no stock
though).

You'd be far better bidding for one of the brand new Sony DCR-TRV30Es
currently on Ebay.

Functionally and performance-wise, the TRV30E is very similar to the
later top-end Sonys - TRV80, HC85 etc. With the advantage that it
doesn't rely on the touch-screen for operation.

Can you point me to any online specs for the TRV30E?

There's three links to reviews on the E-bay pages (only two work). You
can view or download the manual from the address below (the spec is
towards the back of the manual).

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...x?Model=DCR-TR
V30E&Category=Handycam

If you have any problems (and are seriously thinking about buying,
e-mail me and I'll scan and OCR the spec from the manual and attach it
to an email.

Personally, I have no problem getting an 'older' model for the right price.
A quick search on ebay has shown that one guy is selling a dozen of these
things (or was it 10?).

That's the one !

HTF do you get hold of a dozen camcorders, a dozen
digicams, and a dozen PDS/phones?! It does sound a little strange.

I initially thought that. But knowing how bad are some
retailers/wholesalers stock control systems - it wouldn't surprise me if
a quantity hadn't surfaced. Only very recently, a 'new' VX1000 came up
on E-bay.

[1] My TRV30 has been heavily used over the last three years,
and though somewhat scratched and worn on the outside,
it still turns in excellent video. Only three months ago
I bought a virtually new and unused TRV80E. I am therefore
in a position to compare the TRV30 and TRV80 - very
similar functionally - but with touch-screen menu control
and Bluetooth. And similarly, the HC85 is very similar to
the TRV80.

I paid £1000 for my TRV30 BTW.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message s.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Grumps
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Just a quick note; I saw the HC42E on ebuyer for £324.99 (no
stock
though).

You'd be far better bidding for one of the brand new Sony
DCR-TRV30Es
currently on Ebay.


Always assuming that you don't mind risking the lose of your money,
eBay has more holes in it's 'bidders security' than a colander [1],
people who use the 'fraudsters friend' are either plain stupid or
have
more money than sense IMO....

At times eBay seems more akin to a gambling house than an auction
house IMO. :~(

[1] most 'sited' auction houses would be shut down if they had half
the cases of stolen products and customer / seller fraud that eBay
do...

You've obviously never used (or looked closely at) Ebay (and their
payment arm, Paypal). Both Ebay and Paypal provide a free protection
scheme. I had cause to use it when I purchased (yet another)
camcorder
but didn't get delivery. I got a full refund from Paypal, though I
had
to wait three weeks while they investigated.

The big problem at the moment is identity theft - but it's only a
problem if someone is foolish enough to furnish CC/DC details in
response to an unsolicited e-mail bearing the E-bay logo (which
shows an
IP origin in Romania). But that is hardly Ebay's fault.


I suggest you take you blinkers off, unsolicited e-mail's are but one
problem, there are many others - all of which eBay could sort out if
they so wished.

In message ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message s.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Grumps
writes
Just a quick note; I saw the HC42E on ebuyer for £324.99 (no
stock
though).

You'd be far better bidding for one of the brand new Sony
DCR-TRV30Es
currently on Ebay.


Always assuming that you don't mind risking the lose of your money,
eBay has more holes in it's 'bidders security' than a colander [1],
people who use the 'fraudsters friend' are either plain stupid or
have
more money than sense IMO....

At times eBay seems more akin to a gambling house than an auction
house IMO. :~(

[1] most 'sited' auction houses would be shut down if they had half
the cases of stolen products and customer / seller fraud that eBay
do...

You've obviously never used (or looked closely at) Ebay (and their
payment arm, Paypal). Both Ebay and Paypal provide a free protection
scheme. I had cause to use it when I purchased (yet another)
camcorder
but didn't get delivery. I got a full refund from Paypal, though I
had
to wait three weeks while they investigated.

The big problem at the moment is identity theft - but it's only a
problem if someone is foolish enough to furnish CC/DC details in
response to an unsolicited e-mail bearing the E-bay logo (which
shows an
IP origin in Romania). But that is hardly Ebay's fault.


I suggest you take you blinkers off, unsolicited e-mail's are but one
problem, there are many others - all of which eBay could sort out if
they so wished.

For instance?

As usual, you're great at innuendo, but rarely anything substantial. Or
does that give your ego a quick lift?

You're always going on about "RFM" but if Ebay users read the advice
given on their site, there would rarely be any problems.

As I mentioned, I did myself get caught in a scam - to a value of £375.
But the Paypal/Ebay protection scheme refunded every penny.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

In message , Tony Morgan
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There's three links to reviews on the E-bay pages (only two work). You
can view or download the manual from the address below (the spec is
towards the back of the manual).

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
R
V30E&Category=Handycam

I should perhaps have used the syntax:

URL:
http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
RV30E&Category=Handycam

so that the link wraps.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message
ws.net,
":::Jerry::::" writes

snip

I suggest you take you blinkers off, unsolicited e-mail's are but
one
problem, there are many others - all of which eBay could sort out
if
they so wished.

For instance?

As usual, you're great at innuendo, but rarely anything substantial.
Or
does that give your ego a quick lift?

Stolen and counterfeit goods are two of the more serious problems, I
really can't see how you claim that there are not problems with eBay,
even eBay themselves acknowledge that there are people abusing the
system.

There is also the problem of the action fever and biding-up, something
that an auctioneer at a auction house will spot and deal with -
impossible to do with 100 percent blind online auctions.

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Tony Morgan
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There's three links to reviews on the E-bay pages (only two work). You
can view or download the manual from the address below (the spec is
towards the back of the manual).

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
R
V30E&Category=Handycam

I should perhaps have used the syntax:

URL:
http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
RV30E&Category=Handycam

so that the link wraps.

No problem Tony. Thanks.
I downloaded the TRV30E user manual.

In your opinion, what are the main differences between the older TRV30E and
the HC42E?

In message , Grumps
writes
"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Tony Morgan
writes
There's three links to reviews on the E-bay pages (only two work). You
can view or download the manual from the address below (the spec is
towards the back of the manual).

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
R
V30E&Category=Handycam

I should perhaps have used the syntax:

URL:
http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
RV30E&Category=Handycam

so that the link wraps.

No problem Tony. Thanks.
I downloaded the TRV30E user manual.

In your opinion, what are the main differences between the older TRV30E and
the HC42E?
I haven't seen the HC42E, but AFAICS it's very similar to the HC40E,
which two friends have (and I've had a play with).

The obvious difference is in size - but personally I prefer a camcorder
to fit comfortably in two hands. Then of course the HC40E/42E has
touch-screen menu operation (which I hate BTW). The TRV30E has a
jog/shuttle wheel to operate and select from the menu system, and since
it lies under the left-hand's thumb, is very easy to use. It's always
seemed stupid (to me) to put a touch-screen on the left-hand side of a
camcorder when most people are right-handed. The HC40/42 has a 2.5" LCD
screen and the TRV30E a 3.5" screen - and it does make a big difference.
More pixels on the TRV30 of course. The other thing that I like on the
TRV30 is the array of (mainly editing) controls which are on the
camcorder's body under the fold-out LCD screen; because the buttons are
small for my fingers I generally use the eraser on the end of a pencil -
but this seems infinitely more sensible than poking around with a pointy
object on the HC40/42's LCD screen.

But if you really want to compare, you can also download/view the HC42
manual from:
URL:
http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-H
C42E&Category=Handycam

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Grumps
writes
"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Tony Morgan
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There's three links to reviews on the E-bay pages (only two work). You
can view or download the manual from the address below (the spec is
towards the back of the manual).


http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
R
V30E&Category=Handycam

I should perhaps have used the syntax:

URL:

http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-T
RV30E&Category=Handycam

so that the link wraps.

No problem Tony. Thanks.
I downloaded the TRV30E user manual.

In your opinion, what are the main differences between the older TRV30E
and
the HC42E?
I haven't seen the HC42E, but AFAICS it's very similar to the HC40E,
which two friends have (and I've had a play with).

The obvious difference is in size - but personally I prefer a camcorder
to fit comfortably in two hands. Then of course the HC40E/42E has
touch-screen menu operation (which I hate BTW). The TRV30E has a
jog/shuttle wheel to operate and select from the menu system, and since
it lies under the left-hand's thumb, is very easy to use. It's always
seemed stupid (to me) to put a touch-screen on the left-hand side of a
camcorder when most people are right-handed. The HC40/42 has a 2.5" LCD
screen and the TRV30E a 3.5" screen - and it does make a big difference.
More pixels on the TRV30 of course. The other thing that I like on the
TRV30 is the array of (mainly editing) controls which are on the
camcorder's body under the fold-out LCD screen; because the buttons are
small for my fingers I generally use the eraser on the end of a pencil -
but this seems infinitely more sensible than poking around with a pointy
object on the HC40/42's LCD screen.

But if you really want to compare, you can also download/view the HC42
manual from:
URL:
http://www.css.ap.sony.com/consumer/...px?Model=DCR-H
C42E&Category=Handycam

Thanks again Tony. I got the HC42 manual yesterday too, but finding online
reviews of both machines seems tricky (for me anyway).
I assume the TRV is an obsolete model (?) now. Would Sony still offer a
guarantee on this if purchased 'new' (even if from ebay)?

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:


You're always going on about "RFM" but if Ebay users read the advice
given on their site, there would rarely be any problems.

As I mentioned, I did myself get caught in a scam - to a value of £375.
But the Paypal/Ebay protection scheme refunded every penny.


Lucky you , i'm still waiting for ebay to deal with a seller of
counterfeit gear and two who decided not to send me what i had paid
for.

On all three occasions i could prove what had happened , but ebay and
paypal refused to do anything about it.

Only out of pocket £40.00 for all three , but still it is my money.

All three sellers are now no longer on ebay , but no explanation for
their removal , nor an explanation as to why i got nowhere with my
complaints.

I have bought over 95 other items and not had any problems.

Gary MacKenzie
Audio Visual Technician / Video Editor