Hello all,
I'm new to video editing. I understand NLE stands for Non Linear Editing. I
would like to know what this really means. Is there Linear Editing too?
Can you provide some examples?

Non linear editing can move to any point in time nearly instantly. Linear
editing must rely on serial access to the edit point. Nonlinear: Random
Access. Linear: Serial Access. Nonlinear: Hard Drive or other random
access near-immediate access to a time point (computer based
editing)....Linear: tape based editing that requires searching serially
through the tape/time.


"Griffo Fooxburr" wrote in message
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Hello all,
I'm new to video editing. I understand NLE stands for Non Linear Editing.
I
would like to know what this really means. Is there Linear Editing too?
Can you provide some examples?

Oh my yes. Connect two VCR's together. Hit "play" on VCR 1, "record" on VCR
2. That's linear. Good question BTW! Like the "Grammy" awards, often the
source of the term is lost in the mists of time. (I get a kick out of kids
who don't know what a grammaphone is

More sophisticated gear can do amazing things in the LINEAR world - I spent
a lot of time doing linear editing when I was in production school. We had
one NLE workstation, a Quadra 840av with a gasp ONE-GIGABYTE HARD DRIVE
and Adobe Premiere 1.0.

As someone pointed out here a while back by someone, if all you're doing is
taking "chunks" from a bunch of tapes and putting them on other tapes for
storage, it's so much easier to do it LINEAR - one tape machine to another -
without a computer in between.

You might do this to shrink a 20 tape librairy to, say, 10 tapes, cutting
out unusable footage.

BTW: LE/NLE has NOTHING to do with digital versus non-digital. You can do
either in the analog or digital environment. (though computers tend to
convert analog to digital in order to work with the material

I've replied to your other post on DV gen loss - see that for more.

C.j




"Griffo Fooxburr" wrote in message
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Hello all,
I'm new to video editing. I understand NLE stands for Non Linear Editing.
I
would like to know what this really means. Is there Linear Editing too?
Can you provide some examples?

C.J.Patten wrote:

BTW: LE/NLE has NOTHING to do with digital versus non-digital. You
can do
either in the analog or digital environment.

Not sure you get total random read write access for NLE in the analog
domain. What sort of devices are you thinking of?

Dave

Just making the point that neither "LE and digital" or "LE and analog" are
intrinsically linked - the fact that our computers are designed to work with
1's and 0's is coincidental.

Before firewire, we had analog tape as the source and analog tape as the
output - the computer in-between just happened to be digital.

The USSR was good at building analog computers though I don't know that they
were ever applied to NLE.

C.






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C.J.Patten wrote:

BTW: LE/NLE has NOTHING to do with digital versus non-digital. You
can do either in the analog or digital environment.

Not sure you get total random read write access for NLE in the analog
domain. What sort of devices are you thinking of?

Dave

On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:36:44 -0400, C.J.Patten
wrote:

Just making the point that neither "LE and digital" or "LE and analog" are
intrinsically linked - the fact that our computers are designed to work with
1's and 0's is coincidental.

Yup. Tri- and quad-state logic are quite feasible, so is "fuzzy logic"
with an analogue charge. Binary isn't necessarily the best...

Before firewire, we had analog tape as the source and analog tape as the
output - the computer in-between just happened to be digital.

Some of us still do (audio cassettes done as ADA: recorded on analogue
tape, digital mixing and processing, and analogue out to cassette). I
haven't seen any "straight to digital" microphones yet, although it
could be done (CCR cameras are "straight to digital").

The USSR was good at building analog computers though I don't know that they
were ever applied to NLE.

Does using a razor blade and splicing tape count as "non linear
editing"? It's effectively going very fast to the place ignoring what's
in between (certainly much faster than "real time") and then literally
"cut and paste" with no copying involved. I used to do it a lot with
audio, I've heard that some of the BBC engineers did it with video as
well...

(An analogue computer to hold more than a few seconds of video at modern
resolutions would be big...)

Chris C

Thank you very much for your answers (especially Alpha & C.J.Patten).
As the latter says, "often the source of the term is lost in the mists of
time", that is why I expected all theese programmes I'm reading about like
Premiere, Studio, Xpress, Movie Maker have their counterpart on the Linear
Editing side :-) Now I see it's another world, actually...

Now I can even find one LE-digital combination: one of my colleagues at work
says he doesn't want to do any computer-based editing of his DV footage. He
simply wants to transfer everything he captured with his camcorder to a DVD,
cutting off some parts. Nothing added, nothing changed. For this purpose he
is about to buy a standalone DVD recorder with a firewire input. This would
be a good Linear Editing, yet digital, example, right?

Thanks again.

Griffo Fooxburr wrote:
Thank you very much for your answers (especially Alpha & C.J.Patten).
As the latter says, "often the source of the term is lost in the
mists of time", that is why I expected all theese programmes I'm
reading about like Premiere, Studio, Xpress, Movie Maker have their
counterpart on the Linear Editing side :-) Now I see it's another
world, actually...

Now I can even find one LE-digital combination: one of my colleagues
at work says he doesn't want to do any computer-based editing of his
DV footage. He simply wants to transfer everything he captured with
his camcorder to a DVD, cutting off some parts. Nothing added,
nothing changed. For this purpose he is about to buy a standalone DVD
recorder with a firewire input. This would be a good Linear Editing,
yet digital, example, right?

Thanks again.

Just came cross my mind... We're all doing Linear Editing when capturing
PARTS of the tape via firewire (thus cutting off scenes not needed) - that
would be LE before NLE!
:-)

CJP- [Tue, 3 May 2005 18:25:22 -0400]:
2. ...Like the "Grammy" awards, often the
source of the term is lost in the mists of time. ...
who don't know what a grammaphone is

Hard to find out lacking a good spell, but I've
ferreted it out with my uncanny ability to use
a suggested spelling list. Here it goes:

Main Entry: gramœoœphone
Pronunciation: 'gra-m&-"fOn
Function: noun
Etymology: from Gramophone, a trademark
: PHONOGRAPH

But even that See-also is unknown to many today,
or at least, seldom used. Record player, turntable,
- jukebox, even - will hit home. Maybe.

--
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mp3,mp4,m4a,aac,ogg,flac,wav,play & record
parametric eq, xfeed, reverb: all on a ppc

Oh, hi Hel - I didn't know you strayed off the PPC newsgroups ;-)

Cheers - Neil

On Wed, 04 May 2005 09:15:01 GMT, () wrote:

CJP- [Tue, 3 May 2005 18:25:22 -0400]:
2. ...Like the "Grammy" awards, often the
source of the term is lost in the mists of time. ...
who don't know what a grammaphone is

Hard to find out lacking a good spell, but I've
ferreted it out with my uncanny ability to use
a suggested spelling list. Here it goes:

Main Entry: gramœoœphone
Pronunciation: 'gra-m&-"fOn
Function: noun
Etymology: from Gramophone, a trademark
: PHONOGRAPH

But even that See-also is unknown to many today,
or at least, seldom used. Record player, turntable,
- jukebox, even - will hit home. Maybe.