Hullo

I've produced a 2 hour compilation DVD for a British Association,
after several weeks hard work they have fulfilled their original order
of 50 units (DVD-5, photo quality label, DVD Case, photo quality DVD
sleeve & individually shrink wrapped).

They are extremely confident that they can shift a *lot* more -
although they have yet to define *lot*...

Small volumes I can handle inhouse - say upto 100 units per order, the
question is... for larger volumes (500+) would I be better investing
in 1-to-7 DVD duplicating machines and extra PC+Printer -OR- outsource
the work to a replication business ?

Has anybody experienced either ? Stand alone DVD duplicators OR using
a replication buisiness...and if so, which ones would they recommend ?

Thanks
j'arrow

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Hullo

I've produced a 2 hour compilation DVD for a British Association,
after several weeks hard work they have fulfilled their original order
of 50 units (DVD-5, photo quality label, DVD Case, photo quality DVD
sleeve & individually shrink wrapped).

They are extremely confident that they can shift a *lot* more -
although they have yet to define *lot*...

Small volumes I can handle inhouse - say upto 100 units per order, the
question is... for larger volumes (500+) would I be better investing
in 1-to-7 DVD duplicating machines and extra PC+Printer -OR- outsource
the work to a replication business ?

Has anybody experienced either ? Stand alone DVD duplicators OR using
a replication buisiness...and if so, which ones would they recommend ?

For quantities of 10 to 999 dupe with onbody print, £2 ea (plus VAT),
http://www.mediaheaven.co.uk/

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:45:14 +0100, Tony Morgan
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Hullo

I've produced a 2 hour compilation DVD for a British Association,
after several weeks hard work they have fulfilled their original order
of 50 units (DVD-5, photo quality label, DVD Case, photo quality DVD
sleeve & individually shrink wrapped).

They are extremely confident that they can shift a *lot* more -
although they have yet to define *lot*...

Small volumes I can handle inhouse - say upto 100 units per order, the
question is... for larger volumes (500+) would I be better investing
in 1-to-7 DVD duplicating machines and extra PC+Printer -OR- outsource
the work to a replication business ?

Has anybody experienced either ? Stand alone DVD duplicators OR using
a replication buisiness...and if so, which ones would they recommend ?

For quantities of 10 to 999 dupe with onbody print, £2 ea (plus VAT),
http://www.mediaheaven.co.uk/


Thanks Tony - but OUCH !!!

I was looking at the 49p-79p range ALL IN (+VAT)
Especially as I'm sub 37p production cost at the moment inhouse anyway
- but I do appreciate your assistance - tell me, have you used
mediaheaven yourself ?

j'arrow

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:45:14 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Hullo

I've produced a 2 hour compilation DVD for a British Association,
after several weeks hard work they have fulfilled their original order
of 50 units (DVD-5, photo quality label, DVD Case, photo quality DVD
sleeve & individually shrink wrapped).

They are extremely confident that they can shift a *lot* more -
although they have yet to define *lot*...

Small volumes I can handle inhouse - say upto 100 units per order, the
question is... for larger volumes (500+) would I be better investing
in 1-to-7 DVD duplicating machines and extra PC+Printer -OR- outsource
the work to a replication business ?

Has anybody experienced either ? Stand alone DVD duplicators OR using
a replication buisiness...and if so, which ones would they recommend ?

For quantities of 10 to 999 dupe with onbody print, £2 ea (plus VAT),
http://www.mediaheaven.co.uk/


Thanks Tony - but OUCH !!!

I was looking at the 49p-79p range ALL IN (+VAT)
Especially as I'm sub 37p production cost at the moment inhouse anyway
- but I do appreciate your assistance - tell me, have you used
mediaheaven yourself ?

Yes, for some B&Q training videos. AFAIK the only way to get costing
down to sub-50p is when they are "stamped" and then the cost of tooling
is uneconomic for quantities of less than about 3000 units.

I'd be interested in how you achieve 37p production cost for such small
quantities.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:37:53 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

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writes
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 00:45:14 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

In message ,
writes
Hullo

I've produced a 2 hour compilation DVD for a British Association,
after several weeks hard work they have fulfilled their original order
of 50 units (DVD-5, photo quality label, DVD Case, photo quality DVD
sleeve & individually shrink wrapped).

They are extremely confident that they can shift a *lot* more -
although they have yet to define *lot*...

Small volumes I can handle inhouse - say upto 100 units per order, the
question is... for larger volumes (500+) would I be better investing
in 1-to-7 DVD duplicating machines and extra PC+Printer -OR- outsource
the work to a replication business ?

Has anybody experienced either ? Stand alone DVD duplicators OR using
a replication buisiness...and if so, which ones would they recommend ?

For quantities of 10 to 999 dupe with onbody print, £2 ea (plus VAT),
http://www.mediaheaven.co.uk/


Thanks Tony - but OUCH !!!

I was looking at the 49p-79p range ALL IN (+VAT)
Especially as I'm sub 37p production cost at the moment inhouse anyway
- but I do appreciate your assistance - tell me, have you used
mediaheaven yourself ?

Yes, for some B&Q training videos. AFAIK the only way to get costing
down to sub-50p is when they are "stamped" and then the cost of tooling
is uneconomic for quantities of less than about 3000 units.

I'd be interested in how you achieve 37p production cost for such small
quantities.


I should have explained that I am burning them myself - I buy bulk
overprints (branded DVD that got messed up with the logos etc.. so
they get overprinted in dramatic patterns) I pay about 12p/DVD-5. DVD
labels generally bulk - couple of quid for several hundred, bulk DVD
cases sub 7p each, photo paper about 2p per sheet (bulk) and imported
*compatible* ink cartridges that cost about £2.50 for enough ink to
print full covers and labels for 50-70 units (dependant on artwork of
course), shrink wraps bulk equate to about 1p each...

12p DVD
7p Case
2p Paper
3p Label
5p Ink (at min usage of 50)
1p Shrink Wrap
Total 30p

The other 7ish Pence is based upon electricity usage and
transportation costs... obviously I always fail to attribute any cost
to my wife as labour - but she usually gets a fine meal out of me as a
thank you.... Mind you that probably pushes the cost up to a decent
£1.37 per unit !!

So, have you used mediaheaven ??

I was looking at
http://www.dvtapes.co.uk/cgi-bin/sto...eplication.htm
I thought they were exepensive...

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The other 7ish Pence is based upon electricity usage and transportation
costs... obviously I always fail to attribute any cost to my wife as
labour - but she usually gets a fine meal out of me as a thank you....
Mind you that probably pushes the cost up to a decent £1.37 per unit !!

You've got a cheap wife :-)

Though I'm now retired, I still cost things at a business rate -
anything from £10 to £50 per hour, depending on who does what.

So, have you used mediaheaven ??

As I said, yes. Only 2 DVDs x 30. Based on blank-cost plus burn-time and
print-time at my rate, I costed the job at £900. Going to MediaHeaven
cost me only £120 plus £60 for my time.

That's why I asked you about costings. If I have to work for nothing, I
don't want to know :-)

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:39:49 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

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The other 7ish Pence is based upon electricity usage and transportation
costs... obviously I always fail to attribute any cost to my wife as
labour - but she usually gets a fine meal out of me as a thank you....
Mind you that probably pushes the cost up to a decent £1.37 per unit !!

You've got a cheap wife :-)

Though I'm now retired, I still cost things at a business rate -
anything from £10 to £50 per hour, depending on who does what.

I do too, unless I'm doing things for friends or non-profit (but even
there if they make demands like insisting on specific dates to have the
results I'll start mentioning my charges -- it's amazing how they baulk
at 1200 pounds -- plus VAT -- for a full weekend not including my mixing
and production time g).

So, have you used mediaheaven ??

As I said, yes. Only 2 DVDs x 30. Based on blank-cost plus burn-time and
print-time at my rate, I costed the job at £900. Going to MediaHeaven
cost me only £120 plus £60 for my time.

I think that's pretty good value for money. Thanks for the
recommendation.

That's why I asked you about costings. If I have to work for nothing, I
don't want to know :-)

If I have to work for nothing, I /do/ want to know so I can avoid it
g. (I wouldn't use cut-price media either, I don't want people coming
back with "it wouldn't play on my system". Nor would I use stick-on
labels for CD or DVD, they peel off after a while and tend to take a
layer of the disc with them (and/or gunge up the drive), and printable
ones aren't that much more for branded discs...)

Chris C

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:11:51 GMT, wrote:


I should have explained that I am burning them myself - I buy bulk
overprints (branded DVD that got messed up with the logos etc.. so
they get overprinted in dramatic patterns) I pay about 12p/DVD-5. DVD
labels generally bulk - couple of quid for several hundred, bulk DVD
cases sub 7p each, photo paper about 2p per sheet (bulk) and imported
*compatible* ink cartridges that cost about £2.50 for enough ink to
print full covers and labels for 50-70 units (dependant on artwork of
course), shrink wraps bulk equate to about 1p each...

12p DVD
7p Case
2p Paper
3p Label
5p Ink (at min usage of 50)
1p Shrink Wrap
Total 30p

The other 7ish Pence is based upon electricity usage and
transportation costs... obviously I always fail to attribute any cost
to my wife as labour - but she usually gets a fine meal out of me as a
thank you.... Mind you that probably pushes the cost up to a decent
£1.37 per unit !!

So, have you used mediaheaven ??

I was looking at
http://www.dvtapes.co.uk/cgi-bin/sto...eplication.htm
I thought they were exepensive...

What failure rate do you have with discs labelled ?

I don't know of any people making dvd's as a business who now risk
putting labels on dvd's , and instead print onto the dvd's ( inkjet or
thermal printer ) due to high return rate when labels unstick
themselves due to the heat generated in a dvd player.

I must be really lucky as I'm still running VCD's with stick on labels
that are over 5 years old and I've never had a problem with labels...

But I understand that the newer DVD players that front load through a
slot increase the risk, I don't generally supply work in large
quantites (usually the work I do requires 5-20 units) so we can spend
sufficient time fitting and checking eack label.

j'arrow


On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:59:30 +0100, Gary MacKenzie
wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:11:51 GMT, wrote:


I should have explained that I am burning them myself - I buy bulk
overprints (branded DVD that got messed up with the logos etc.. so
they get overprinted in dramatic patterns) I pay about 12p/DVD-5. DVD
labels generally bulk - couple of quid for several hundred, bulk DVD
cases sub 7p each, photo paper about 2p per sheet (bulk) and imported
*compatible* ink cartridges that cost about £2.50 for enough ink to
print full covers and labels for 50-70 units (dependant on artwork of
course), shrink wraps bulk equate to about 1p each...

12p DVD
7p Case
2p Paper
3p Label
5p Ink (at min usage of 50)
1p Shrink Wrap
Total 30p

The other 7ish Pence is based upon electricity usage and
transportation costs... obviously I always fail to attribute any cost
to my wife as labour - but she usually gets a fine meal out of me as a
thank you.... Mind you that probably pushes the cost up to a decent
£1.37 per unit !!

So, have you used mediaheaven ??

I was looking at
http://www.dvtapes.co.uk/cgi-bin/sto...eplication.htm
I thought they were exepensive...

What failure rate do you have with discs labelled ?

I don't know of any people making dvd's as a business who now risk
putting labels on dvd's , and instead print onto the dvd's ( inkjet or
thermal printer ) due to high return rate when labels unstick
themselves due to the heat generated in a dvd player.

In message ,
writes

Snipped...

I must be really lucky as I'm still running VCD's with stick on labels
that are over 5 years old and I've never had a problem with labels...

But I understand that the newer DVD players that front load through a
slot increase the risk, I don't generally supply work in large
quantites (usually the work I do requires 5-20 units) so we can spend
sufficient time fitting and checking eack label.

I've found with both CDs and DVDs, providing that they aren't
"see-though", and I use an applicator like the CD Stomper, I have had no
problems whatsoever. I do, however, wipe the label (while in the
Stomper) from inside to outside to eliminate any air bubbles. I'd
speculate that if the disk does get warm inside a drive, air bubbles
could expand and cause "de-laminating".

I have been half-considering buying an Epson R200 to direct-print DVDs
and CDs. Anyone any comments on this printer?
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info