"RobDee" wrote in message
...

In order to avoid any confusion in this thread, I should point out that I
often post from 3 different locations, each having a separate identity.
Hence RobDee, Rob D and RSD are one and the same!

Rob

"RSD" wrote in message
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"alex" wrote in message
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Go for computer. I tried using a standalone DVDR and its a nightmare as
even when pausing during recording there is a delay.
You end up with two remote controls - very confusing.

Went straight out an bought Pinnacle DC10 (for analogue) and a DVD
Writer.

At least with a decent editing S/W you can edit frame by frame.
Authoring
is a doddle too.


As I said originally, I would normally have done it all by computer.
However, in this case there is no editing to be done - they just want
tapes
converted to DVD.
The task begins early next week, so I´ll soon find out (and report back)
which method is best!
Rob

"RobDee" wrote in message
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Long version: (skip down for short version)

I've been offered a contract which is outside of my normal field. These
guys have literally hundreds of hours of video on VHS which they want
burning onto DVD. They want this so they can make quick, easy copies
for
distribution and so their Teachers (its a school) can get instant
access
to the relevant part of the required programme, without having to
shuttle
back and forth while a bunch of bored kids sits throwing paper
aeroplanes.
They have sufficient budget to buy a hard disc stand-alone DVD recorder
which has me thinking: Not being familiar with the use of these
recorders,
I can't decide whether I'm gonna find it best to capture the video to
computer (which is what I've always done and would have done this time,
had they not mentioned getting the stand-alone box!) and then carve it
up
by programme with chapters etc. Or would this be easier to do by using
the
Stand-alone box?

Short version :

Can anyone tell me - from personal experience - whether recording from
VHS
to a hard drive DVD recorder (stand-alone type), including creation of
chapters and possibly menus, is any quicker or easier than using a
computer with capture card?

TIA

Rob




Sorry my mistake didn't read the bit about no editing...

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:42:48 +0100, "Gandalf"
wrote:

Mr M...think you missed my point, I was not talking about the camera
firewire and yes with the IEEE1394 standard bi direction is possible.

How many DVD recorders have firewire and those that do....do they output via
the firewire? I think you will find that they don't otherwise Hollywood and
friends would be taking a close interest.

G

AFAIK that's not right. IEEE1394 uses two twisted pairs, A and B
carrying differential signals. The A pair is in one direction, the B in
the other direction.


there are some with firewire input , though i have yet to find one
with firewire output.
firewire out would require a conversion from mpeg2 to dv which would
be exceedingly processor intensive when converting lp mode etc back to
720x576 dv
panasonic have a new one with network output for streaming purposes ,
but i haven't had my hands on one yet.
DMRE500HEBS
http://shop.panasonic.co.uk/invt/dmre500hebs

"Gary MacKenzie" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:42:48 +0100, "Gandalf"
wrote:

Mr M...think you missed my point, I was not talking about the camera
firewire and yes with the IEEE1394 standard bi direction is possible.

How many DVD recorders have firewire and those that do....do they output
via
the firewire? I think you will find that they don't otherwise Hollywood
and
friends would be taking a close interest.

G

AFAIK that's not right. IEEE1394 uses two twisted pairs, A and B
carrying differential signals. The A pair is in one direction, the B in
the other direction.


there are some with firewire input , though i have yet to find one
with firewire output.

This one has it:
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_...nomy_id=62-125

Rob


firewire out would require a conversion from mpeg2 to dv which would
be exceedingly processor intensive when converting lp mode etc back to
720x576 dv
panasonic have a new one with network output for streaming purposes ,
but i haven't had my hands on one yet.
DMRE500HEBS
http://shop.panasonic.co.uk/invt/dmre500hebs

In message , Gary MacKenzie
writes
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:42:48 +0100, "Gandalf"
wrote:

Mr M...think you missed my point, I was not talking about the camera
firewire and yes with the IEEE1394 standard bi direction is possible.

How many DVD recorders have firewire and those that do....do they output via
the firewire? I think you will find that they don't otherwise Hollywood and
friends would be taking a close interest.

G

AFAIK that's not right. IEEE1394 uses two twisted pairs, A and B
carrying differential signals. The A pair is in one direction, the B in
the other direction.


there are some with firewire input , though i have yet to find one
with firewire output.
firewire out would require a conversion from mpeg2 to dv which would
be exceedingly processor intensive when converting lp mode etc back to
720x576 dv
panasonic have a new one with network output for streaming purposes ,
but i haven't had my hands on one yet.

IEEE1394 has nothing whatsoever to do with protocol of the data being
carried (in whatever direction). For example, it's commonly used for
external disk drives. It's also used in automation and industrial
control applications. Unfortunately much of the IEEE1394TA site is
restricted to members, but their site at http://www.1394ta.org gives
some public information of interest.

A couple of companies who use IEEE1394 for other than video applications
a
http://www.adept.com
http://www.nyquist.nl

No doubt more can be found on Google.

And apparently Boeing are doing development work to use IEEE1394 in
next-generation fly-by-wire flight control systems.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:58:33 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

IEEE1394 has nothing whatsoever to do with protocol of the data being
carried (in whatever direction). For example, it's commonly used for
external disk drives. It's also used in automation and industrial
control applications. Unfortunately much of the IEEE1394TA site is
restricted to members, but their site at http://www.1394ta.org gives
some public information of interest.

A couple of companies who use IEEE1394 for other than video applications
a
http://www.adept.com
http://www.nyquist.nl

No doubt more can be found on Google.

And apparently Boeing are doing development work to use IEEE1394 in
next-generation fly-by-wire flight control systems.

http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthrea...light=ieee1394

has a definition of ieee1394 which may make interesting reading for
those that cannot access the info on http://www.1394ta.org

In message , Gary MacKenzie
writes
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:58:33 +0100, Tony Morgan
wrote:

IEEE1394 has nothing whatsoever to do with protocol of the data being
carried (in whatever direction). For example, it's commonly used for
external disk drives. It's also used in automation and industrial
control applications. Unfortunately much of the IEEE1394TA site is
restricted to members, but their site at http://www.1394ta.org gives
some public information of interest.

A couple of companies who use IEEE1394 for other than video applications
a
http://www.adept.com
http://www.nyquist.nl

No doubt more can be found on Google.

And apparently Boeing are doing development work to use IEEE1394 in
next-generation fly-by-wire flight control systems.

http://forums.dvdoctor.net/showthrea...light=ieee1394

has a definition of ieee1394 which may make interesting reading for
those that cannot access the info on http://www.1394ta.org

Good stuff :-)
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

"RSD" wrote in message
...

"alex" wrote in message
...
Go for computer. I tried using a standalone DVDR and its a nightmare as
even when pausing during recording there is a delay.
You end up with two remote controls - very confusing.

Went straight out an bought Pinnacle DC10 (for analogue) and a DVD
Writer.

At least with a decent editing S/W you can edit frame by frame.
Authoring
is a doddle too.


As I said originally, I would normally have done it all by computer.
However, in this case there is no editing to be done - they just want
tapes
converted to DVD.
The task begins early next week, so I´ll soon find out (and report back)
which method is best!
Rob

"RobDee" wrote in message
...
Long version: (skip down for short version)

I've been offered a contract which is outside of my normal field. These
guys have literally hundreds of hours of video on VHS which they want
burning onto DVD. They want this so they can make quick, easy copies
for
distribution and so their Teachers (its a school) can get instant
access
to the relevant part of the required programme, without having to
shuttle
back and forth while a bunch of bored kids sits throwing paper
aeroplanes.
They have sufficient budget to buy a hard disc stand-alone DVD recorder
which has me thinking: Not being familiar with the use of these
recorders,
I can't decide whether I'm gonna find it best to capture the video to
computer (which is what I've always done and would have done this time,
had they not mentioned getting the stand-alone box!) and then carve it
up
by programme with chapters etc. Or would this be easier to do by using
the
Stand-alone box?

Short version :

Can anyone tell me - from personal experience - whether recording from
VHS
to a hard drive DVD recorder (stand-alone type), including creation of
chapters and possibly menus, is any quicker or easier than using a
computer with capture card?

TIA

Rob

OK, here's my promised update: Clients finally bought a Philips HD720 with
80GB Hard drive (I told them to get a Sony!). Anyway, finally got it
sorted - it's really purpose built for telly addicts and as this will never
be connected to a TV unless someone nicks it, it all seems a bit of a waste.
It records just about any kind of video signal onto the hard drive, it seems
you cannot record directly to disk. No big deal, then it's pretty
straightforward to chop bits out and if need be insert your own chapters,
labels, choose / change the image for each chapter / clip / programme.
Transfer to DVD disk and away you go. Fairly straightforward after you've
taught yourself how to use it (much easier than following the - badly -
translated manual). Only 1 major point to remember, whatever quality level
you choose to capture to HD, you're stuck with - there is no facility to
change it later before transferring to disk. I'm using 3 hours per disk and
the DVDs produced at this level are indistinguishable from the VHS source
material.

An interesting incident: My very first practise capture (that worked) gave
me a 4 minute section of captured material on the hard drive, when I came to
view it I was gobsmacked! There, sitting amongst all the demo clips on the
HD contents menu was my clip - including an identifying image and the title
of that particular VHS video programme!!! WTF? How can a VHS signal contain
the name of the programme? I really was stuck for any kind of explanation -
then it dawned on me - by sheer coincidence I had hit the "choose the
current frame as your clip ID image" (or Philips' JapoDutchEnglish
equivalent) just when the programme title had been on screen! There it was,
just like a clip on the timeline of Adobe Premiere!
I would recommend anyone doing anything other than simple / total tape
transfer to still stick with computer non linear editing - at least if you
know what you're doing, though I must admit I will get one of these when I
get my next bonus - but not Philips!

Rob

An interesting incident: My very first practise capture (that worked) gave
me a 4 minute section of captured material on the hard drive, when I came
to view it I was gobsmacked! There, sitting amongst all the demo clips on
the HD contents menu was my clip - including an identifying image and the
title of that particular VHS video programme!!! WTF? How can a VHS signal
contain the name of the programme? I really was stuck for any kind of
explanation - then it dawned on me - by sheer coincidence I had hit the
"choose the current frame as your clip ID image" (or Philips'
JapoDutchEnglish equivalent) just when the programme title had been on
screen! There it was, just like a clip on the timeline of Adobe Premiere!
I would recommend anyone doing anything other than simple / total tape
transfer to still stick with computer non linear editing - at least if you
know what you're doing, though I must admit I will get one of these when I
get my next bonus - but not Philips!

I've copied stuff from SVHS to a DVDR70, and it's read the programme title
from the Teletext pages.