I have the Sony DCR-HC1000 and find that the wind noise is worse than my
older sony analog. Is there an easy fix for this such as an external mike?

Dean

"deloid" wrote in message
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I have the Sony DCR-HC1000 and find that the wind noise is worse than my
older sony analog. Is there an easy fix for this such as an external mike?

An external or an add on mic with suitable cover will seriously cut down on
wind noise. All my outdoor stuff is now shot with one or the other,
specifically for that reason.

Rob
Dean

"RSD" wrote in message
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"deloid" wrote in message
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I have the Sony DCR-HC1000 and find that the wind noise is worse than
my
older sony analog. Is there an easy fix for this such as an external
mike?

An external or an add on mic with suitable cover will seriously cut down
on
wind noise. All my outdoor stuff is now shot with one or the other,
specifically for that reason.

Rob

Also, using headphones to monitor what's being recorded is a sensible step.

--
M Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK
http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

Thanks for the prompt and concise answers.

Dean

"deloid" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Is there an easy fix for this such as an external mike?

Sure thing, and cheap and simple:

Cover the mike zone with a strip of 1-2cm thickness
standard nylon fur as a windjammer (Rycote style),
and velcro (tm) it to your cam. Pronto.

Chris
Kiel, Germany

On a similar vein I suppose so I'll chip in with a question : Taped a
friends band (gig) the other week just cause I happened to have the
camera with me.

Of course sitting opposite the 2k PA the mic was totally overloaded.

Apart from suggestions of "wire a Minidisk to the mixing desk" are
there any quick fixes like "attenuation", some kind of muffler for my
DV cam's mic to reduce the volume level ?

I'm thinking in terms of the physical fix proposed for wind muffling.

Cheers - Neil

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 11:50:44 +0200, "Claus C. Plaass"
wrote:

"deloid" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Is there an easy fix for this such as an external mike?

Sure thing, and cheap and simple:

Cover the mike zone with a strip of 1-2cm thickness
standard nylon fur as a windjammer (Rycote style),
and velcro (tm) it to your cam. Pronto.

Chris
Kiel, Germany

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote in message
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On a similar vein I suppose so I'll chip in with a question : Taped a
friends band (gig) the other week just cause I happened to have the
camera with me.

Of course sitting opposite the 2k PA the mic was totally overloaded.

Apart from suggestions of "wire a Minidisk to the mixing desk" are
there any quick fixes like "attenuation", some kind of muffler for my
DV cam's mic to reduce the volume level ?

Unless your camera has this ability via the menu (i.e. adjustment of
recording level, and I don´t believe many non - pro cameras do), you´re
really gonna have to look at an add-on mic.
Incidentally, on one occasion I had the luxury of 2 minidisc units when
recording a live band. I plugged one into sound board and the other I hid in
a palm tree. I ended up using the "palm tree mic" almost exclusively in the
final edit - the soundboard recording being totally devoid of any atmosphere
and the on-camera sound being, as you discovered, pretty useless. I´m sure
most folks would have guessed this for themselves, but it´s worth pointing
out to anyone considering such an undertaking for the first time. I never
bother with soundboards now unless it´s for max sound quality regardless of
the "live setting" e.g. like when making a promo video. Even then, most
bands will be able to provide you with a studio recorded track.

Rob

I'm thinking in terms of the physical fix proposed for wind muffling.

Cheers - Neil

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 11:50:44 +0200, "Claus C. Plaass"
wrote:

"deloid" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Is there an easy fix for this such as an external mike?

Sure thing, and cheap and simple:

Cover the mike zone with a strip of 1-2cm thickness
standard nylon fur as a windjammer (Rycote style),
and velcro (tm) it to your cam. Pronto.

Chris
Kiel, Germany

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:56:53 +0200, Rob D
wrote:

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote in message
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On a similar vein I suppose so I'll chip in with a question : Taped a
friends band (gig) the other week just cause I happened to have the
camera with me.

Of course sitting opposite the 2k PA the mic was totally overloaded.

Apart from suggestions of "wire a Minidisk to the mixing desk" are
there any quick fixes like "attenuation", some kind of muffler for my
DV cam's mic to reduce the volume level ?

Unless your camera has this ability via the menu (i.e. adjustment of
recording level, and I don´t believe many non - pro cameras do), you´re
really gonna have to look at an add-on mic.

Even then if it really is overloading the mic (ordinary mics aren't
really designed for levels of over 100dBA) it's a physical problem.
Sound mufflers like the foam "pop shields" can help, but the only real
solution is to get further away from the speakers.

Incidentally, on one occasion I had the luxury of 2 minidisc units when
recording a live band. I plugged one into sound board and the other I hid in
a palm tree. I ended up using the "palm tree mic" almost exclusively in the
final edit - the soundboard recording being totally devoid of any atmosphere
and the on-camera sound being, as you discovered, pretty useless. I´m sure
most folks would have guessed this for themselves, but it´s worth pointing
out to anyone considering such an undertaking for the first time. I never
bother with soundboards now unless it´s for max sound quality regardless of
the "live setting" e.g. like when making a promo video. Even then, most
bands will be able to provide you with a studio recorded track.

I've recorded with one on the sound board and one 'live' (or more often
with 6 or 14 tracks from the board and a stereo pair 'live' onto DA-88
machines). You're right about the 'dead' sound from the board, but
worse is that if the band are using some of their own PA (bass amps in
particular) as many smaller gigs do a lot of the 'live' sound isn't
coming through the board. Drums have the same problem. On the other
hand 'live' mics tend to pick up lots of crowd noise.

(There is also the delay with the 'live' mics picking up the sound with
a 1ms per foot delay. When mixing 'live' with 'board' I usually aim to
leave around 5-10ms delay between then, that seems to "sound right",
trying to sync them exactly results in some of the 'live' sound being
ahead of the board sound which sounds slightly wrong. Yes, I know the
human ear isn't supposed to be able to hear delays that short, but it
does have good phase discrimination...)

The other thing is that with two minidiscs you have to do resync anyway,
because they won't have been started on time. And of course you then
have to mix and then resync with the video...

Chris C

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:56:53 +0200, "Rob D"
wrote:

Apart from suggestions of "wire a Minidisk to the mixing desk" are
there any quick fixes like "attenuation", some kind of muffler for my
DV cam's mic to reduce the volume level ?

Unless your camera has this ability via the menu (i.e. adjustment of
recording level, and I don´t believe many non - pro cameras do),

Nope, nothing shoing up there.

you´re really gonna have to look at an add-on mic.

Ah, yes, no mic input discernable either, it's a really bottom of
range consumer crud camera ;-) I just wondered if there was something
lo-tech I could carry with it, for occasional use g

Guess it's the DAT or minidisc recorder then !

Incidentally, on one occasion I had the luxury of 2 minidisc units when
recording a live band. I plugged one into sound board and the other I hid in
a palm tree. I ended up using the "palm tree mic" almost exclusively in the
final edit

Nice !

most bands will be able to provide you with a studio recorded track.

True, I have those, it was just a one off "happened to be there with
the camera" moment. Thx for the ideas though.

Cheers - Neil

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:15:13 +0100, Chris Croughton
wrote:

(There is also the delay with the 'live' mics picking up the sound with
a 1ms per foot delay. When mixing 'live' with 'board' I usually aim to
leave around 5-10ms delay between then, that seems to "sound right",
trying to sync them exactly results in some of the 'live' sound being
ahead of the board sound which sounds slightly wrong. Yes, I know the
human ear isn't supposed to be able to hear delays that short, but it
does have good phase discrimination...)

Interesting...

The other thing is that with two minidiscs you have to do resync anyway,
because they won't have been started on time. And of course you then
have to mix and then resync with the video...

OK well that's fine I can spare 10 minutes to dub and time-shift the
audio. Actually I had to do this once with a friends wedding reception
I taped - the sound was the other way round - speeches (from the back
of the room) too faint to be really much use, interspersed with loud
clapping.

So I had to strip the audio track (VDub), rework the levels and EQ,
and balance it in Soundforge and then reapply it and lip-sync the
start. It was marginally better than before so worth the effort.

The problem with ~overloaded~ mic is that there's nothing you can do
to rework the distortion out of the audio track :-(

Cheers anyway - Neil