On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:37 GMT, Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:15:13 +0100, Chris Croughton
wrote:

(There is also the delay with the 'live' mics picking up the sound with
a 1ms per foot delay. When mixing 'live' with 'board' I usually aim to
leave around 5-10ms delay between then, that seems to "sound right",
trying to sync them exactly results in some of the 'live' sound being
ahead of the board sound which sounds slightly wrong. Yes, I know the
human ear isn't supposed to be able to hear delays that short, but it
does have good phase discrimination...)

Interesting...

Well, OK, /my/ ear can hear it g. I can also see "something wrong" if
lipsync has the video ahead of the audio, even by 20ms (the
documentation says that 70ms or so is "close enough), and most of my
friends seem to as well.

The other thing is that with two minidiscs you have to do resync anyway,
because they won't have been started on time. And of course you then
have to mix and then resync with the video...

OK well that's fine I can spare 10 minutes to dub and time-shift the
audio. Actually I had to do this once with a friends wedding reception
I taped - the sound was the other way round - speeches (from the back
of the room) too faint to be really much use, interspersed with loud
clapping.

So I had to strip the audio track (VDub), rework the levels and EQ,
and balance it in Soundforge and then reapply it and lip-sync the
start. It was marginally better than before so worth the effort.

Some of my audio mixes have levels all over the place in time, where I've
cut the clapping and even 'pops' into a microphone (those are under 10ms
volume cuts). When using a domestic portable MD recorder it's not so
bad -- but if you use two (desk and live) then the AVC is out of sync...

The problem with ~overloaded~ mic is that there's nothing you can do
to rework the distortion out of the audio track :-(

Yes, I've had that, the singer (pro opera trained) overloaded both the
mic and the desk! Nothing at all will solve that. Digital overloads
(onto minidisk) are as bad.

In message , Chris Croughton
writes
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:37 GMT, Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]
wrote:

On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:15:13 +0100, Chris Croughton
wrote:

Snipped....

Bring back the old clapper board :-)
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