"Wally" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message

Well don't ask in a public forum then if you don't want people to
give their opinions, you utter moron, it's you who should '****
off'
as you so elegantly put it !...

You didn't answer the question, ****wit.

If you don't like the fact that others have the right to say what they
like about your stupid question then **** off out of Usenet.



I think the wily with his remarks above sums all this up quite
nicely,
he know he is on nothing but an ego trip of self abuse regarding
this
and he doesn't like being told so in public.

The ego trip is all yours, bud. Do you enjoy lighting up citizens
and
****ing them out?


Oh **** off you ignorant little moron. I'm not the one wanting to use
a computer for something that is best done with paper and pencil....

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
...

I've a friend who's very much into "plotting and planning" his video
projects. He uses the still (memory stick) on his camcorder to
story-board the various shots. He then imports the JPGs into his video
editor and stretches them to the planned clip-length. He then directly
records an audio layer (for each clip) while the "video" JPGs are
rendering, describing type/angle of shot, zoom/panning etc. He then
labels each of the "storyboard" clips, and then goes and shoots the
video in any old order, dropping them in when completed into another
video layer. When its all filled up, he simply hides the storyboard
layer, and renders his finished video. Works for him :-)

That's not a bad idea. My next project will involve a fair amount of 3D
compositing on live action, and I can get a decent "prototype" together
using something like this (although probably more likely in the animation
software than in the video editor).

"Wally" wrote in message
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snip trolling clap-trap

Oh **** off you ignorant little moron.

"Have computer, I must use computer, I'm to proud to use paper - even
if it is the best tool for the job"....

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message

Oh **** off you ignorant little moron. I'm not the one wanting to use
a computer for something that is best done with paper and pencil....

Who says it's best done that way? In all cases?

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message

"Have computer, I must use computer, I'm to proud to use paper - even
if it is the best tool for the job"....

Nurse! Jerry needs his meds! He's slavering pish again!

"Wally" wrote in message
. ..
":::Jerry::::" wrote in message

Oh **** off you ignorant little moron. I'm not the one wanting to
use
a computer for something that is best done with paper and
pencil....

Who says it's best done that way? In all cases?


Unless you are working on the next 'blockbuster' and need to email
files to others (for them to add / remove their ideas), in which case
you would a/. know what software to use and b/. would not be asking
here, there is no need to use storyboarding software.

As I said, you want to use technology for technologies sake.

"Wally" wrote in message
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snip more trolling

Oh **** off you ignoranus.

BTW. I assume you do have authority to use the above domain as your
return address ?

Tony Morgan wrote:

He could always do what Moses did :-)

I had thought of that, but it struck me as a bit old-tech, even for a sad,
lonely luddite like him. :-)


The bottom line is - do what's best for you.

And I have every intention of doing so.


Steven Katz [1] mentions two storyboarding software products. American
Intelliware's 'Storyboarder' (http://www.american-intelliware.com/)
and Macromind (now Macromedia) 'Director'
(http://www.macromedia.com/software/director/.

I fear, though, the cost of either of the above puts them out of the
reach of all but the heavily capitalised professional production
company, ...

Aye, bit too rich for beginner to try out, methinks.


... though a quick search tells me there's a rar/par set of the
latter on alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.french :-o

Sshh - Jerry'll be after that...


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Laurence Payne wrote:

Have you got an art program that allows a large virtual canvas
containing frames that can be freely moved around? Photoshop will
certainly do it, but I'm sure there are cheaper options.

Got Paintshop Pro 7, but 'd have to say that I only ever use it as a
straight bitmap editor or to process photographs.


I realise you have now taken up a firmly entrenched attitude against
paper-and-pencil solutions.

I didn't take it up - it was never really considered as an option to begin
with. If I completely fail to find any software that does the job, I'll
consider it. Until then, I won't.


But, having tried computer
storyboarding, I wonder if you'll honestly be able to come back and
report it's easier and better than a bundle of index cards and a
pencil? :-)

All I can say so far is that I was impressed after my little play with
Storyboard Tools last night.


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SjT wrote:

You could try something like macromedia flash.

You can create objects and move them, adding text etc and then play
through the storyboard giving each scene a delay, you can also add
audio tracks, i.e. to add commentary or voice acting to give an idea.

It's not instantly easy to use though, and of course costs money.

Can't see anything thats gonna help you beyond something along those
lines.

Well, this Storyboard Tools program looks okay, so I'll see how I get on
with that.


I draw most of my scenes out like a comic book, a grid that i print
from word with a banner under each box where i can write whats going
on etc. Obviously the trouble is if you decide to change order of the
shots or you're ****e at drawing.

Depends what level of detail you're going to, i.e. is it just the
story you want to draw up? or all the camera positions and focus
points etc.

More like describing shot-by-shot:
Wide view of hill, slow zoom to feature on summit.
Fade/transition.
Camera on summit with closer view of feature, slow zoom
to related horizon feature.


You may find yourself better to write a script with vivid descriptions
within a word processor or something.

Nah, I'm a rather visual person - sketches and minimal notes sounds like the
thing for me. If I started scripting it (at least, as a first-off thing), I
suspect I'd get bogged down.


By the way, what are you hoping to work on? short film?

Something about the ancient sites in my local area - not so much a
documentary as a virtual tour. The genesis was two or three years ago, when
I thought of trying some Quicktime VR stuff, but it never really got
started - what I really wanted was to do walk-throughs. Having now acquired
a camcorder, these are possible. I'm thinking of something along the lines
of a walk-through, accompanied by telephoto shots and pans (of the horizon)
and walk-arounds (dollies?) of local features, such the whole sequence comes
together as a tour, but allowing individual segments to be picked from the
DVD menu (possibly with a map-type interface, rather than the usual frames).
I can pretty-much define the various shots that I want, but reckon that
attempting to storyboard the overall thing would help to keep things
organised.


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