Someone´s given me some MiniDV footage shot on Long Play, what´s worse, on a
different brand of camcorder than mine. It plays back fine through my
camera, but I can´t capture it via Firewire through any apps I´ve tried.
having just googled the problem it does seem to be quite a well known issue.
What I´d like to know is if anyone here´s found a way around it other than
capturing in analog - which does work BTW.

Rob

"Rob D" wrote in message
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Someone´s given me some MiniDV footage shot on Long Play, what´s worse, on
a different brand of camcorder than mine. It plays back fine through my
camera, but I can´t capture it via Firewire through any apps I´ve tried.
having just googled the problem it does seem to be quite a well known
issue. What I´d like to know is if anyone here´s found a way around it
other than capturing in analog - which does work BTW.

Rob


Are you sure it's Long Play. and not ELP?

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:06:44 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:


"Rob D" wrote in message
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Someone´s given me some MiniDV footage shot on Long Play, what´s worse, on
a different brand of camcorder than mine. It plays back fine through my
camera, but I can´t capture it via Firewire through any apps I´ve tried.
having just googled the problem it does seem to be quite a well known
issue. What I´d like to know is if anyone here´s found a way around it
other than capturing in analog - which does work BTW.

Rob


Are you sure it's Long Play. and not ELP?

something like a sony dsr-11 dv recorder may be able to replay it ,
but LP is a really bad idea with dv , especially if you don't replay
in the machine you recorded it with.
Gary MacKenzie
Video Editor

"John Russell" wrote in message
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"Rob D" wrote in message
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Someone´s given me some MiniDV footage shot on Long Play, what´s worse,
on a different brand of camcorder than mine. It plays back fine through
my camera, but I can´t capture it via Firewire through any apps I´ve
tried. having just googled the problem it does seem to be quite a well
known issue. What I´d like to know is if anyone here´s found a way around
it other than capturing in analog - which does work BTW.

Rob


Are you sure it's Long Play. and not ELP?

It could well be, John. In fact this problem is bigger than I first thought:
Although I did state that capturing in analog *does* work, I must admit I
was not 100% correct - as I could see & hear the video playing back through
my camcorder I assumed that capturing through analog (Matrox RT. X10) would
be a foregone conclusion, it isn´t and I was wrong! I can get the sound but
no picture.
This LP or ELP business is really annoying: Personally, I think
manufacturers include such stuff purely as a sales gimmick (a la recording
directly to DVD or printers which print directly from memory cards), which
gives nothing useful to serious users. If this footage wasn´t valuable for
its content, then I´d have just binned it by now!
I´m now gonna see if I can at least record the output from the camcorder´s
analog connections onto an S-VHS recording deck. If I can, then at least I
know I can get the footage onto computer from there.

Rob

"Gary MacKenzie" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:06:44 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:


"Rob D" wrote in message
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Someone´s given me some MiniDV footage shot on Long Play, what´s worse,
on
a different brand of camcorder than mine. It plays back fine through my
camera, but I can´t capture it via Firewire through any apps I´ve tried.
having just googled the problem it does seem to be quite a well known
issue. What I´d like to know is if anyone here´s found a way around it
other than capturing in analog - which does work BTW.

Rob


Are you sure it's Long Play. and not ELP?

something like a sony dsr-11 dv recorder may be able to replay it ,
but LP is a really bad idea with dv , especially if you don't replay
in the machine you recorded it with.

My Sony camcorder plays it OK, but the stream can´t be captured even in
analog! I agree about the LP bit - Personally I´ve never used it for
anything remotely of importance. I´ll try to find out from the source what
exactly they did to get this unusable material on to tape.

Rob

Gary MacKenzie
Video Editor

"Rob D" wrote in message
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snip
I´m now gonna see if I can at least record the output from the
camcorder´s
analog connections onto an S-VHS recording deck. If I can, then at
least I
know I can get the footage onto computer from there.


Might also be worth running it through a TBC on it's way to the S-VHS
deck.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in news:3a5jj5F67f4c0U1
@individual.net:


"Rob D" wrote in message
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snip
I´m now gonna see if I can at least record the output from the
camcorder´s
analog connections onto an S-VHS recording deck. If I can, then at
least I
know I can get the footage onto computer from there.


Might also be worth running it through a TBC on it's way to the S-VHS
deck.




Have you got access (yourself or a borrow) to a DVD standalone recorder?
Playing dodgey VHS E-to-E via the DVD recorder, with it's inbuilt TBC of
sorts, certainly settles the picture down. Make sure you run the sound
via the DV as well, otherwise there might (will?) be a sync problem.

"Alan S." wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in news:3a5jj5F67f4c0U1
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"Rob D" wrote in message
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snip
I´m now gonna see if I can at least record the output from the
camcorder´s
analog connections onto an S-VHS recording deck. If I can, then at
least I
know I can get the footage onto computer from there.


Might also be worth running it through a TBC on it's way to the S-VHS
deck.




Have you got access (yourself or a borrow) to a DVD standalone recorder?
Playing dodgey VHS E-to-E via the DVD recorder, with it's inbuilt TBC of
sorts, certainly settles the picture down. Make sure you run the sound
via the DV as well, otherwise there might (will?) be a sync problem.

Well, I´m just waiting for the next price drop of a Sony with 160GB HD and
I´ll have one!

Thanks for the suggestions, but all is now cured - well "bodged" might be a
better description. Had to record from camcorder to S-VHS deck, then pass -
through via camcorder to computer. Quality is, considering it´s history,
quite OK really. I´ll have to incorporate it as a sort of deliberate special
effect as it certainly stands well below my own "all digital" material.

Rob

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"Rob D" wrote in message
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snip
I´m now gonna see if I can at least record the output from the
camcorder´s
analog connections onto an S-VHS recording deck. If I can, then at
least I
know I can get the footage onto computer from there.


Might also be worth running it through a TBC on it's way to the S-VHS
deck.

Thanks - luckily got away without having to. Still beats me why Canon et al
sell this ELP idea as anything at all useful when you consider the fact that
it is so useless as editable DV material. Oh well.

Rob

"Rob D" wrote in message
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Thanks - luckily got away without having to. Still beats me why
Canon et al
sell this ELP idea as anything at all useful when you consider the
fact that
it is so useless as editable DV material. Oh well.


I suspect because it sells to the great 'unwashed' just like it being
palm sized and auto everything but master of none....