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Professionals use it then?
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Professionals use it then?
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Tony Morgan
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I thought nearly all professional work was done on AVID systems,
and a very small amout on Final Cut Pro amd Premiere!

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Professionals use it then?


I thought nearly all professional work was done on AVID systems,
and a very small amout on Final Cut Pro amd Premiere!


Define 'professional', I suspect that a lot of broadcast work is done with
Avid, but what about people who produce corporate or wedding videos etc.,
are they professional ?...

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Professionals use it then?


I thought nearly all professional work was done on AVID systems,
and a very small amout on Final Cut Pro amd Premiere!


Define 'professional', I suspect that a lot of broadcast work is done with
Avid, but what about people who produce corporate or wedding videos etc.,
are they professional ?...

Of course may wedding videographers are indeed true professional but they
don't make up a large part of the professional production world. I'm not
sure what you mean by corporate videos they can vary from a short internal
training video shot on miniDV to a full blown advertising campaign. Some of
the films we use to commission in Philips would make some Hollywood
productions seem low budget!

I was using the common definition of being professional as someone who
derives the substantial proportion of their income from that job (75%+), as
many wedding videographers, and indeed photographers only do it as a part
time job No! I was not calling them professional; that is not a comment on
their skill, or talent. however there *are* some pretty shaky weekend
wedding video done that would not qualify under any definition of
professional.

From my experience most weddings are done on Premiere of FCP hence the
comment! however a fair amount of low-end corporate stuff is done on Avid DV
Xpress, for various reasons, mainly because it's stable and has become the
industry standard, not because it's any better than a lot of other software,
indeed I think Premiere is probably better for a lot of jobs. but it's not
the stuff people use. In a typical edit facility, the software and NLE
equipment is a small part of the total cost, with outboard equipment like
decks costing many thousand of pounds, so the people who run these
facilities use the software that the editors know, and that's Avid, I think
you would find it very difficult to rent out a edit suite with anything
except Avid. many also have ProTools for audio.

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I was using the common definition of being professional as someone who
derives the substantial proportion of their income from that job (75%+),
as
many wedding videographers, and indeed photographers only do it as a part
time job No! I was not calling them professional; that is not a comment on
their skill, or talent. however there *are* some pretty shaky weekend
wedding video done that would not qualify under any definition of
professional.

Then a better definition would be those who either have a company (or the
such), this would cover those who earn 75%+ income OR those who declare and
pay tax on what they earn, this will cover those for who video is not their
*prim* income but who perhaps would do so if more business came their way.
Many of them don't use Avid, they might well have done if Avid had not been
so far up their own behind in the past though, they basically could not
afford the inflated price tag so bought the next best package IYSWIM.

I whole-hartley agree with you views on Mr Shaky and his wedding video, but
all the time there are mugs who buy on price and not quality....

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[ re professionals, Avid, FCP and Premiere ]
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I was using the common definition of being professional as someone who
derives the substantial proportion of their income from that job (75%+),
as
many wedding videographers, and indeed photographers only do it as a part
time job No! I was not calling them professional; that is not a comment
on
their skill, or talent. however there *are* some pretty shaky weekend
wedding video done that would not qualify under any definition of
professional.

Then a better definition would be those who either have a company (or the
such), this would cover those who earn 75%+ income OR those who declare
and
pay tax on what they earn, this will cover those for who video is not
their
*prim* income but who perhaps would do so if more business came their way.
Many of them don't use Avid, they might well have done if Avid had not
been
so far up their own behind in the past though, they basically could not
afford the inflated price tag so bought the next best package IYSWIM.

I whole-hartley agree with you views on Mr Shaky and his wedding video,
but
all the time there are mugs who buy on price and not quality....

Agreed!
The definition I used is quite widely accepted, there are many people who
have companies, who don't make any money because they are Shaky week-enders
:-) I'm not sure where our co-operative fits in there, most of the crew are
graduates with degrees in photography and film making but don't make any
money :-) they support their film making with day jobs. and are looking for
full time work in the industry, I guess they are amateur probably more in
the French definition [lover of]

Avid *has* made some in-roads in to the low-end market with DV Xpress, and
the price is not too bad!
The reason I like Avid is the used interface is pretty much the same across
the range so someone who has started on Xpress can move up to the high-end
packages. I think the price tag from Avid is part of the marketing strategy
.. If it was 100 bucks then people would not use it, it's more to do with the
editors having their heads up their arses. it's a lot like Sony users who
think because the big expensive pro cameras are Sony then the low-end
prosumer cameras are somehow the best! The only difference being using a
£1800 Sony is not really anything like using a £20k Sony. (This will start a
flame war)

I have used FCP, Premiere, Media 100 and Avid and have to say Avid is the
worsted to use in terms of learning how to do anything! but it does provide
the learning path we need for our young film makers. I thought after I made
the first posting I had excluded the art film/video makers, many of them use
FCP on Macs mainly because the universities use it, is a very good stable
platform. PC's can be a real sod to get working properly, especially if you
are not a computer nerd!
We have a iMac system with FCP that we take around in the back of our truck
as a sort of portable system, and it worked first time, whereas the big PC
based system took quite a lot of tweaking to get it reliable. and I
certainly would not want to move it!

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I have used FCP, Premiere, Media 100 and Avid and have to say Avid is the
worsted to use in terms of learning how to do anything! but it does
provide
the learning path we need for our young film makers.

******** ! Are you training film / VT editors or are you training Avid
operatives ?...

Students need to learn how to edit, they don't need to learn how to use a
software package, and they can do that on anything from Studio9 up to a
fully fledged Avid broadcast suit.
I've heard of one department head (in a TV broadcast station) who has said
to colleges and universities that he wants editors and not just 'machine
operators' - he can train a good *editor* to use the stations chosen
hardware / software but he hasn't the time nor resources to train editors.


I thought after I made
the first posting I had excluded the art film/video makers, many of them
use
FCP on Macs mainly because the universities use it, is a very good stable
platform. PC's can be a real sod to get working properly, especially if
you
are not a computer nerd!
We have a iMac system with FCP that we take around in the back of our
truck
as a sort of portable system, and it worked first time, whereas the big PC
based system took quite a lot of tweaking to get it reliable. and I
certainly would not want to move it!


I think we all know were you're coming from.....

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I have used FCP, Premiere, Media 100 and Avid and have to say Avid is the
worsted to use in terms of learning how to do anything! but it does
provide
the learning path we need for our young film makers.

******** ! Are you training film / VT editors or are you training Avid
operatives ?...


Students need to learn how to edit, they don't need to learn how to use a
software package, and they can do that on anything from Studio9 up to a
fully fledged Avid broadcast suit.

I don't think that's true!

I've heard of one department head (in a TV broadcast station) who has said
to colleges and universities that he wants editors and not just 'machine
operators' - he can train a good *editor* to use the stations chosen
hardware / software but he hasn't the time nor resources to train editors.

What you say is quite right, but why learn to use one NLE package, then
change to another.
it takes a long time to learn a package well, so why waste three years at
Uni learning one package only to have to start out fresh on a different
package when you start your first job, it's stressful enough already!
Sorry but the managers in industry expect new graduates to start work
running nowadays, long gone is the apprenticeship.
Whilst it is true, a crap editor will never be any good, you need talent,
equally a talented editor who can use a program, is more employable that the
same editor who does not know the package. as you pointed out "he hasn't the
time nor resources to train editors"

When I start people off who have never used a NLE package, I get them to do
a very simple edit on iMovie to show the basics, then get them to move over
to Avid. Avid works in a quite different way to many other packages, it's
much more like editing the old film way. and the price difference between
Xpress and say FCP is not that significant compared with the other equipment
required.

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