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"Jon Pitt" wrote in message
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First time Camcorder buyer. Is DV-in really that important. I can only
really see myself downloading to PC and storing files on PC or output to
DVD. Read something that makes editing easier with DV-in. Not sure I
understand why.

Also is widescreen and Megapixel worth the extra?? Maybe I would be best
with HC22. No need for analogue in or digital photo on HC32

Any views on these models. As I said I'm a total newbie. Would like
something small enough to snowboard with. Don't know why only looking at
Sony either,. just makes it easier.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Jon


I have just changed to the HC42 from a JVC. The build quality is far
superior. The touch screen could be akward for those with big fingers, or
wareing thick snow gloves!
Also DV is only accessible via the Handy cam station. This is a real pain
for those who like "swapping" video in the field, or when copying lot's
of tapes to the PC after a photo shoot. Having to unplug the power and
un-dock the camera to swap tapes gets frustrating when you used to having
all the cables plugged in the camera. Why couldn't they have found space
for an on camera DV in/out?

Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view, and
for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of widescreen
cam due out this month which include that for free!

I.e. CANON MV850i and at a RRP of 599 Euros much cheaper than a comparable
SONY.
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Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with the
"composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
another extra you have to get.

"John Russell" wrote in message
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"Jon Pitt" wrote in message
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First time Camcorder buyer. Is DV-in really that important. I can only
really see myself downloading to PC and storing files on PC or output to
DVD. Read something that makes editing easier with DV-in. Not sure I
understand why.

Also is widescreen and Megapixel worth the extra?? Maybe I would be best
with HC22. No need for analogue in or digital photo on HC32

Any views on these models. As I said I'm a total newbie. Would like
something small enough to snowboard with. Don't know why only looking at
Sony either,. just makes it easier.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Jon


I have just changed to the HC42 from a JVC. The build quality is far
superior. The touch screen could be akward for those with big fingers, or
wareing thick snow gloves!
Also DV is only accessible via the Handy cam station. This is a real pain
for those who like "swapping" video in the field, or when copying lot's
of tapes to the PC after a photo shoot. Having to unplug the power and
un-dock the camera to swap tapes gets frustrating when you used to having
all the cables plugged in the camera. Why couldn't they have found space
for an on camera DV in/out?

Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view, and
for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of widescreen
cam due out this month which include that for free!

Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with the
"composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
another extra you have to get.



When you see the number of items that are "tuneable" via the menu systems
it's clear that you couldn't have "hard" switch's for all of them. The menu
system itself is tuneable, which too me show's what could be done in the
future. You should be given the option of chosing the size of the normal
"recorder" functions on the screen. So when you can't "press" the normal
small switch's you could set the camcorder to cover the screen with large
transparent switch's which even a gloved finger could "press".

"John Russell" wrote in message
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"John Russell" wrote in message
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"Jon Pitt" wrote in message
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First time Camcorder buyer. Is DV-in really that important. I can only
really see myself downloading to PC and storing files on PC or output to
DVD. Read something that makes editing easier with DV-in. Not sure I
understand why.

Also is widescreen and Megapixel worth the extra?? Maybe I would be best
with HC22. No need for analogue in or digital photo on HC32

Any views on these models. As I said I'm a total newbie. Would like
something small enough to snowboard with. Don't know why only looking at
Sony either,. just makes it easier.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Jon


I have just changed to the HC42 from a JVC. The build quality is far
superior. The touch screen could be akward for those with big fingers, or
wareing thick snow gloves!
Also DV is only accessible via the Handy cam station. This is a real pain
for those who like "swapping" video in the field, or when copying lot's
of tapes to the PC after a photo shoot. Having to unplug the power and
un-dock the camera to swap tapes gets frustrating when you used to
having all the cables plugged in the camera. Why couldn't they have found
space for an on camera DV in/out?

Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view, and
for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of widescreen
cam due out this month which include that for free!

Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with
the "composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
another extra you have to get.



When you see the number of items that are "tuneable" via the menu systems
it's clear that you couldn't have "hard" switch's for all of them. The
menu system itself is tuneable, which too me show's what could be done in
the future. You should be given the option of chosing the size of the
normal "recorder" functions on the screen. So when you can't "press" the
normal small switch's you could set the camcorder to cover the screen with
large transparent switch's which even a gloved finger could "press".




But wouldn't those with "access" problems i.e. with the camera strapped to
their heads, control the camara via a lanc remote?

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I have just changed to the HC42 from a JVC. The build quality is far
superior. The touch screen could be akward for those with big fingers,
or wareing thick snow gloves!

As I mentioned in another thread, I'd recommend using a stylus. I picked
up a nice combined red/black/stylus pen for just a few pounds on Ebay
(search for 'stylus').

I'd also suggest using an LCD protector - a very thin semi-adhesive
film. Jessops do one for a little over £3 (there are three in the pack)
and are large enough to be cut down for any make/model camcorder..

Also DV is only accessible via the Handy cam station. This is a real
pain for those who like "swapping" video in the field, or when copying
lot's of tapes to the PC after a photo shoot. Having to unplug the
power and un-dock the camera to swap tapes gets frustrating when you
used to having all the cables plugged in the camera. Why couldn't they
have found space for an on camera DV in/out?

I can see an argument for a docking station. When capturing to my PC,
all the controls are on one side of the camcorder, and the firewire (and
all other connections with the exception of power) on the other. I soon
started to get concerned about the possibility of damaging the firewire
socket on the camcorder. I spent some time in designing and making an
"editing stand" that supports the camcorder at an ergonomic angle, all
controls visible, with the firewire outlet on the reverse, but above the
desk.

Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view,
and for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of
widescreen cam due out this month which include that for free!

Though I concede that a wide-angle lens is one of the best and useful
accessories, you don't actually need one to benefit from shooting
wide-screen if your camcorder has it.

Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with
the "composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
another extra you have to get.

I suppose you could argue that they should include a firewire cable (and
perhaps a firewire card). However, I think I'd dispute that most
wide-screen TVs come with S-video.

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Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

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Now when we get camcorders with 5m pixel CCD's it might be worth
having. Even phone's come with 1m pixel camera's now!

We have to remember that some camcorder makers (notably Canon and Sony)
have large digital still camera markets, and they're not going to
compete between commercial divisions.

Since most digital cameras offer MPEG-1 video, your could argue 'why not
provide DV video in digital still cameras?'.

And there's another argument that higher Mega-px camcorders would
require larger and more expensive memory sticks (or memory cards).

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Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

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Now when we get camcorders with 5m pixel CCD's it might be worth having.
Even phone's come with 1m pixel camera's now!

We have to remember that some camcorder makers (notably Canon and Sony)
have large digital still camera markets, and they're not going to compete
between commercial divisions.

Since most digital cameras offer MPEG-1 video, your could argue 'why not
provide DV video in digital still cameras?'.

And there's another argument that higher Mega-px camcorders would require
larger and more expensive memory sticks (or memory cards).

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Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

Memory is always getting quicker, bigger and cheaper.

You can get a sony 256mb Duo for £29. That would store about 150 pics from a
3 mpixel CCD camera. Crumps I would have to spend more than that on film and
processing to get 150 pics via my SLR.

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When you see the number of items that are "tuneable" via the menu systems
it's clear that you couldn't have "hard" switch's for all of them.

I'd dispute that John. I've still got my TRV30 with push-buttons which,
when used with the jog/shuttle wheel give virtually the same
functionality as my TRV80 with the touch screen. They're all located on
the camcorder body underneath the LCD. The only additional features that
the TRV80 has are (apart from the touch-screen itself) the spot focus
(which couldn't be implemented without touch screen) and the manual
exposure control. Oh, and Bluetooth of course - which is a complete
waste of time).

The menu
system itself is tuneable, which too me show's what could be done in the
future. You should be given the option of chosing the size of the normal
"recorder" functions on the screen. So when you can't "press" the normal
small switch's you could set the camcorder to cover the screen with large
transparent switch's which even a gloved finger could "press".

Being right-handed, my objection to the touch-screen (now I'm getting
used to it) is that it's on the wrong side of the camcorder. Far more
ergonomically comfortable to hold the camcorder in the left hand and
poke around the screen with the right-hand.

I might mention that I used to use a pencil's eraser to poke the buttons
on the TRV30. But most shooting options could be set/adjusted using the
jog/shuttle wheel which was conveniently placed for the left-hand thumb
on my TRV30. But now, on my touch-screen TRV80 I use a stylus to poke
around the LCD to set/control functions and facilities.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

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But wouldn't those with "access" problems i.e. with the camera strapped
to their heads, control the camara via a lanc remote?

I'd speculate that such users wouldn't have the time (or inclination) to
do little other than press the 'record' button. I'd be inclined to
switch the thing on in the aircraft and switch it off after hitting the
ground (with or without deployed parachute). I hardly think that they'd
be plummeting towards terra firma for more than an hour at a time (or an
hour-and-a-half on LP) :-) A sort of skydivers's crash recorder :-)

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

I can see an argument for a docking station. When capturing to my PC, all
the controls are on one side of the camcorder, and the firewire (and all
other connections with the exception of power) on the other. I soon
started to get concerned about the possibility of damaging the firewire
socket on the camcorder. I spent some time in designing and making an
"editing stand" that supports the camcorder at an ergonomic angle, all
controls visible, with the firewire outlet on the reverse, but above the
desk.
You risk damaging the power lead socket having to remove it "before"
undocking the camera every time you want to swap films. I just spent an
afternoon transferring 10 tapes to the PC. I could do that without
unplugging anything when the leads plugged in the camera!




Also widescreen does drive you to want to film a wider field of view, and
for that you need an add on wide lens. I have seen one make of widescreen
cam due out this month which include that for free!

Though I concede that a wide-angle lens is one of the best and useful
accessories, you don't actually need one to benefit from shooting
wide-screen if your camcorder has it.

Using widescreen makes you want to "Frame" the image for widescreen. It's
this which makes you realise that the 40+ equivalent 35mm lens is too
narrow. Anyone taking landscape or building photographs would reach for a
20-28mm lens.


Also why is that cameras which are not "budget" models still come with the
"composite" only cable. Anyone buying a widescreen cam will have a
widescreen TV with s-video inputs, and expect to use that! So that's
another extra you have to get.

I suppose you could argue that they should include a firewire cable (and
perhaps a firewire card). However, I think I'd dispute that most
wide-screen TVs come with S-video.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

There hidden under the flap at the front. I hav'nt seen a single TV with
front AV input's without s-video, and most widescreen sets come with front
inputs.

As far as the rest of the world is concerend RGB is not "the" input of
choice. S-video is! Just look at all those expensive AV amps with switchable
s-video sockets. My panny has a crap over saturated RGB input which is only
any good for an old fashioned ping-pong game device. But it's s-video input
is superb, much better than any I've seen on "european" designed sets.

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But wouldn't those with "access" problems i.e. with the camera strapped to
their heads, control the camara via a lanc remote?

I'd speculate that such users wouldn't have the time (or inclination) to
do little other than press the 'record' button. I'd be inclined to switch
the thing on in the aircraft and switch it off after hitting the ground
(with or without deployed parachute). I hardly think that they'd be
plummeting towards terra firma for more than an hour at a time (or an
hour-and-a-half on LP) :-) A sort of skydivers's crash recorder :-)

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

Just for info guy's

I have my HC30E set to easy cam as I have found this gives me the best
results. I check the focus and zoom prior to putting my helmet on 5 min
before leaving the plane. I have a Lanc remote called a Cam Eye which as
well as offering a remote record button, gives me an LED that shows that the
camera is on and either Recording or that there is a power/tape problem.

If your interested I can post some of my footage for you to check out.

Buzz