"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , CE
writes
Self-correction: in Japan and Korea they can alreasy have 50MB or 100MB
VDSL
upload and download at the prices we pay for 2 or 3 MB. Google "Korea
Telecom" to confirm this.

Yes, but significantly, one Googled source states "South Korea's broadband
success can be attributed to the density of urban living" which perhaps
should tell us something.

And, browsing through the various sources, the key is in the Korean
Goverment's Broadband Convergence Network (note the lead taken by the
government).

But another source tells us "However, government officials say the
broadband convergence network will provide Internet access with nationwide
coverage at speeds of 50Mbps to 100Mbps, which is about 50 times faster
than the current conventional broadband services."

Note the "will", not "does".

Japan (which is eleventh in the Internet status listing) has the same
demographic model, where most of the population live in densely populated
areas - which of course lends itself well to the infrastructures needed to
support high-speed broadband.

I haven't Googled for Japan other than a cursory look, but I did observe
that more than 60% of the population of South Korea live within very
high-density urban areas, and (coincidentally?) the figure for broadband
access was also 60%. I'd suggest that there's a conclusion to be drawn
there. And Japan's demographics are much the same as Korea.

But let's face it, the UK Government can't even get their own information
systems to work properly (if at all). So how on earth can we expect them
to take a lead in anything technological?

And we might add that the Prime Ministers former communications director,
Alistair Campbell, can't even send an e-mail to the right address with his
Blackberry--which ought to tell us somethign about how technologically
challenged our glorious political class is when it comes to IT.


And BT, who are the only country-wide supplier of communication services
is a joke.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

Watch it! I'm a part of the Yorkshire disapora in Manchester (you wouldn't
be a Lancastrian by any chance would you? ).

I don't think that £25 a month is "nowt"!

Old Yorkshire saying:

"Hear all, see all, say nowt,
Eat all, sup all, pay nowt.
And if ever tha' do' owt fer nowt,
Do it fer thi sen."





"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Jim
writes
I frequently upload video clips to the web and I am cheesed off with the
appalling low upload speeds of most Brit ISPs. I am currently with the NTL
£25 a month 750k download/128k upload package. I also read that this will
be
upgraded to 2MB download and 200 kB upload without an increase in charge.
I
have no complaints about that in general - it seems like a good deal--for
people who don't upload much.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...eases-update-3

The problem is that, being a regular video uploader, I do as much
uploading
as downloading and I have lobbied NTL about increasing the upload speed to
no avail it would seem.

I have read that in Japan and Korea they have 4 MB or even 10 MB (sic)
download AND upload VDSL for about the same prices that we are paying here
for much slower speeds. As I understand it, the Japanese and Korean
governments subsidise their ISPs (while our government subsidises the US
war
effort).

I am looking round for an ISP that has higher upload rates. I know about
UKonline and its 8MB/400K ADSL, but this would mean getting a BT line with
a
line rental of £9.50 a month, At the moment I do not pay any line rental
because it comes free if you have cable TV. Thus, moving to UKOnline would
be £9.50 plus £39.99. Effectively a doubling of my monthly phone/broadband
costs.

You do have to be realistic Jim. NTL provide their Internet services on
the back of their television and telephone services. The bulk of other
ISPs have to get their connectivity through BT, and then bundle on top
their services. As Yorkshiremen say "You get nowt for nowt".

I'm told that NTL don't have a very good reputation, which is borne out if
you go to http://www.adslguide.org.uk/isps/compare.asp and compare them
with (say) Zen Internet (from whom I get my ADSL). The adslguide site is
useful for anyone going broadband for the first time, or for those who are
considering changing ISP (which I did from Pipex).

But the bottom line is if you want the bandwidth you're going to have to
pay.

The limiting factor with ADSL is the distance you are from the exchange,
and the quality of your line. A high proportion of ADSL users are limited
to 512 upload and 256 download. And you'll only discover if you're limited
to 512/256 once you've signed up with an ISP, and they ask BT to connect
you (they test your line before connecting).

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info