Hello guys,

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and consequently to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere 6.5 as it
seems currently to be unsupported.

Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video with my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or b) a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

Thanks folks,

Robert.

"Rob" wrote in message
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Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video with my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or b) a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

I use the Pinnacle DV500 DVD, which comes bundled with Premiere at around
£500 in the UK. I'm delighted with it - hardware mpeg, real-time effects,
and full integration with Premiere. Takes Anolog (S-video and Composite)
and has a firewire port.

Given the cost of Premiere standalone, I'd heartily recommend it.

Hmmmmm bit out of my budget!

Already have premiere 6.5 and a firewire card, so just looking for a
analogue capture that is compatible with premiere!


"Groundhog" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video with
my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or b)
a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

I use the Pinnacle DV500 DVD, which comes bundled with Premiere at around
£500 in the UK. I'm delighted with it - hardware mpeg, real-time effects,
and full integration with Premiere. Takes Anolog (S-video and Composite)
and has a firewire port.

Given the cost of Premiere standalone, I'd heartily recommend it.

"Rob" wrote in message ...
Hmmmmm bit out of my budget!

Already have premiere 6.5 and a firewire card, so just looking for a
analogue capture that is compatible with premiere!

Well you see, that is the rub.

Decent capture cards are expensive. The firewire card is not really
a capture card, it is just a data port, like the parallel or serial ports.
Capture of analog video is far more complex and requires much
more expensive hardware to get decent quality.

David

Thanks Ed, A bridge does seem like a good idea, and would save a lot of
playing around at the back of my PC changing from in to out etc!

I'll have a look to see if i can get a reasonably priced one!


"Ed Fielden" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and
consequently
to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere 6.5 as
it
seems currently to be unsupported.

Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video with
my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or b)
a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

My personal recommendation (for what it's worth) is to buy a DV Bridge.
That's a device that converts an analogue video input to DV, which can
then
be plugged into a firewire port on your PC or the DV-in terminal on a DV
camera. I have a Dazzle Hollywood DV Bridge, which can cost about £180
new,
but I was very lucky and picked up mine (minus the video leads, box and
instructions) for £85 on eBay.

£180 is obviously far more than the cheap-to-midrange analogue capture
cards! I had some issues with my analogue capture card - a cheap Packard
Bell piece o' crap. To get any sort of decent quality out of it I either
had
to use uncompressed frames (my HDD wasn't quite fast enough for that) or
use
it's software MPEG compressor (which was so processor-intensive it very
rarely captured even a minute of footage without dropping several frames).
Also, I found it extremely difficult to make sure I was using the correct
field order when editing. It didn't help that that software I use for
editing swaps the position of the fields as well as the order... so I ende
d
up with 'softened' pictures.

Hope this load of waffle is of some help!

--
Ed Fielden, Cirencester, UK

In message VWeWa.32111$o%2.17306@sccrnsc02, David McCall
writes

"Rob" wrote in message
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Hmmmmm bit out of my budget!

Already have premiere 6.5 and a firewire card, so just looking for a
analogue capture that is compatible with premiere!

Well you see, that is the rub.

Decent capture cards are expensive. The firewire card is not really
a capture card, it is just a data port, like the parallel or serial ports.
Capture of analog video is far more complex and requires much
more expensive hardware to get decent quality.

The AverTV Studio card provides analogue capture with hardware MPEG-2
codec with excellent quality.

Plus a lot more besides.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com

Rob,
The DV bridge is a good solution. I would avoid the dazzle (unless it was a
super deal, most people I talk to do not like it), and look at Sony or
Canopus.

That being said, I run Premiere with my DC10+ card and it works well. Check
the Pinnacle forums. With my working DC10 setup (be sure you have the
latest drivers from the Pinnacle site) all I did was install the Premiere.
You may have to load drivers for the DC30 card though. (I did not) I would
install Premiere and try it. I did not expect mine to work, and I do not
know why it does, but it does and who am I to complain.

Other option is to just capture with the DC10 studio software and export as
avi files, then edit in Premiere and export the final avi. Use studio if
necessary to play back out to tape. This is a roundabout way but it will
work and you do not have to buy anything.

"Rob" wrote in message
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Thanks Ed, A bridge does seem like a good idea, and would save a lot of
playing around at the back of my PC changing from in to out etc!

I'll have a look to see if i can get a reasonably priced one!


"Ed Fielden" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and
consequently
to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere 6.5
as
it
seems currently to be unsupported.

Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video
with
my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or
b)
a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

My personal recommendation (for what it's worth) is to buy a DV Bridge.
That's a device that converts an analogue video input to DV, which can
then
be plugged into a firewire port on your PC or the DV-in terminal on a DV
camera. I have a Dazzle Hollywood DV Bridge, which can cost about £180
new,
but I was very lucky and picked up mine (minus the video leads, box and
instructions) for £85 on eBay.

£180 is obviously far more than the cheap-to-midrange analogue capture
cards! I had some issues with my analogue capture card - a cheap Packard
Bell piece o' crap. To get any sort of decent quality out of it I either
had
to use uncompressed frames (my HDD wasn't quite fast enough for that) or
use
it's software MPEG compressor (which was so processor-intensive it very
rarely captured even a minute of footage without dropping several
frames).
Also, I found it extremely difficult to make sure I was using the
correct
field order when editing. It didn't help that that software I use for
editing swaps the position of the fields as well as the order... so I
ende
d
up with 'softened' pictures.

Hope this load of waffle is of some help!

--
Ed Fielden, Cirencester, UK

"Rob" wrote in message
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Oh this sounds interesting...

I have a DC10+ card with studio 7, I'd love for Premiere to recognise this
card, but doesn't!

I do not know why mine does. I didn't expect it to. There was some
discussion on the Pinnacle forums about using the dc30 drivers to make
premier think it was a dc30 card. I have no idea how well this worked.
Since mine works there has to be a simple way to make it use the dc10, I
just wish I knew what it was. The modification I think would be in Premiere
since mine was bundled with a Pinnacle product it may have been modified to
support Pinnacle.


Meanwhile, to edit DC10+ captured video in Premiere, I need to export it
as
an AVI, but using which compression method? It lists many (eg cinepak,
DivX,
Microsoft MPEG-4...etc etc)...

You may have to experiment to see which works best. Some may not work at
all, and some will work fine. Also check the codecs in Premiere. Mine has
a menu selection for MJPEG format. If so you could select it and edit the
video captured in studio without doing the export step.


...this will take a while but seems to be a very cheap solution until i
can
afford a bridge (or i find out my camcorder can act as a bridge!)

Rob.


"Rob Hemmings" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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Hello guys,

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and
consequently
to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere 6.5
as
it
seems currently to be unsupported.
snip

There are no official win2000 or XP VFW drivers, unfortunately,
which is a real pity as the DC10 is an excellent card. You could
fork out for Pinnacle Studio 8 - the DC10 will capture fine with
that. Other than that, you'll have to do what other posters suggest.
HTH
--
Rob

Went for the Sony TRV355 - an issue with Analogue capture is now no longer!

I can just use the camcorder as a DV bridge and import/export throught the
firewire card!

(Please confirm all that for me!!)


"Rob" wrote in message
...
Hello guys,

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and consequently
to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere 6.5 as
it
seems currently to be unsupported.

Failing this, is there either a) a way of capturing analogue video with my
firewire card (either through my DV in/out camcorder or otherwise, or b) a
cheap, good analogue capture card which will be supported in Adobe!

Thanks folks,

Robert.

Before going to a digital camcorder I too was using the DC10 to capture via
Premiere. I followed the advice on the forums about using the DC30 drivers
etc and it worked fine - if I recall there was also an add-on for premiere
to download - there was a website put that game step by instructions on how
to do this so I'm sure a google search or a trawl through the pinnacle
forums would eventually find it.


"Bill Renfro" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
...
Oh this sounds interesting...

I have a DC10+ card with studio 7, I'd love for Premiere to recognise
this
card, but doesn't!

I do not know why mine does. I didn't expect it to. There was some
discussion on the Pinnacle forums about using the dc30 drivers to make
premier think it was a dc30 card. I have no idea how well this worked.
Since mine works there has to be a simple way to make it use the dc10, I
just wish I knew what it was. The modification I think would be in
Premiere
since mine was bundled with a Pinnacle product it may have been modified
to
support Pinnacle.


Meanwhile, to edit DC10+ captured video in Premiere, I need to export it
as
an AVI, but using which compression method? It lists many (eg cinepak,
DivX,
Microsoft MPEG-4...etc etc)...

You may have to experiment to see which works best. Some may not work at
all, and some will work fine. Also check the codecs in Premiere. Mine
has
a menu selection for MJPEG format. If so you could select it and edit the
video captured in studio without doing the export step.


...this will take a while but seems to be a very cheap solution until i
can
afford a bridge (or i find out my camcorder can act as a bridge!)

Rob.


"Rob Hemmings" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
Hello guys,

I'm making the shift to digital (cliche now isn't it!?!) and
consequently
to
Adobe 6.5, however, I'd like to know if there is anyway of capturing
analogue video with my old DC10+ card to work with Adobe Premiere
6.5
as
it
seems currently to be unsupported.
snip

There are no official win2000 or XP VFW drivers, unfortunately,
which is a real pity as the DC10 is an excellent card. You could
fork out for Pinnacle Studio 8 - the DC10 will capture fine with
that. Other than that, you'll have to do what other posters suggest.
HTH
--
Rob