In message , Olympiad
writes
Snipped....

..... hence the question about scene detection software and
recommendations
for good ones! Anyway, it's fairly obvious from your later posts that
you don't rate such tools very highly.

Most video editors that come with scene-detection allow you to turn it
off if you so wish.
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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snip babble

I noted the smiley's and thus the snip, but enough to say that you are wrong
on count one and half wrong on count two.

"Olympiad" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Dave R" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:26:20 GMT, ":::Jerry::::"
allegedly wrote:

We did this last year Jerry and you beat it to death then. Scene
detection works well for the rest of us. You banging on about how
the pros do it won't change that.

Until you realise it's limitations....

I know the limitations, and if I ever have the need to do so, I will
work
around them. No-one said it was the best solution for all situations.

The fact is, scene detection is rarely the best solution, other than if
only
'playing' at the art of film editing.....


The art of film editing (or rather film making) is above any tools you
use.
No amount of tools or effects can make a bad film good, but I've seen
plenty
of potential good films ruined.

Which is my point !


If all you want to do is cut out the bad bits, add a few transitions and
add
a voice over track then OK, but if you're making a something more
complex
film I really don't see how it helps or saves time - IMO it's more
likely
to
cause problems than solve them.


Complex does not necessarily equal better.


The complexity in this instance is in the software people are trying to use,
as you imply, the simple approach is often better than the complex - what is
simpler than a sheet of paper, a pencil and some time ?...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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The complexity in this instance is in the software people are trying to
use,
as you imply, the simple approach is often better than the complex - what
is
simpler than a sheet of paper, a pencil and some time ?...


I don't actually disagree with the thrust of what you're saying, as I
pointed out in my original approach I want the scene detector for the very
times you described about simply chunking up a film into scenes and throwing
in a few transitions. As it happens, I've got round to trying out Premiere
and so far am finding the way that you can shuttle back and forth and slice
clips, once I get used to it, might be the way to go. But for what I do I
have no reason to do any offline scene logging. I can comfortably capture
several tapes worth of DV and find it easier to cut the crap once it's on
the computer rather than before it gets on there.

"Tony Morgan" wrote in message
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In message , Olympiad
writes
Snipped....

..... hence the question about scene detection software and
recommendations
for good ones! Anyway, it's fairly obvious from your later posts that you
don't rate such tools very highly.

Most video editors that come with scene-detection allow you to turn it off
if you so wish.
--

Yes, and ideally what I want is software that will capture without scene
logging, but then allow me to scene detect if I so wish. So far Studio 9
and Ulead VideoStudio do this, with Vegas and Premiere (according to a later
thread, as I hadn't realised) both doing scene detection on capture only (I
may be wrong, but from first impressions ...).

"Olympiad" wrote in message
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snip

[ re tape logging / scene detection ]

Yes, and ideally what I want is software that will capture without scene
logging,

You mean (suede) scene splitting, some don't split the capture into separate
clips and non of them log the tape [1] - they just give each 'clip' a unique
name, unless there is RT user supervision.

[1] logging is giving each clip / 'film' rush a unique name, an in and out
point (and hence a running time) together with a description of the clips
content and any other comment such as the video track is crap but the audio
track is good.

In message , Olympiad
writes
Snipped...

Most video editors that come with scene-detection allow you to turn it off
if you so wish.
--

Yes, and ideally what I want is software that will capture without
scene logging, but then allow me to scene detect if I so wish. So far
Studio 9 and Ulead VideoStudio do this, with Vegas and Premiere
(according to a later thread, as I hadn't realised) both doing scene
detection on capture only (I may be wrong, but from first impressions
...).

I can confirm that Premiere Elements allows you to turn off scene
detection (select Capture, More, then click Scene detect to switch off
(from it's default of Scene detect enabled).
--
Tony Morgan
http://www.camcord.info

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Olympiad" wrote in message
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snip

[ re tape logging / scene detection ]

Yes, and ideally what I want is software that will capture without scene
logging,

You mean (suede) scene splitting, some don't split the capture into
separate
clips and non of them log the tape [1] - they just give each 'clip' a
unique
name, unless there is RT user supervision.

[1] logging is giving each clip / 'film' rush a unique name, an in and out
point (and hence a running time) together with a description of the clips
content and any other comment such as the video track is crap but the
audio
track is good.


Yes, sorry I'm mixing up my terminologies, and I do mean not actually
splitting the clip into smaller physical clips (which is a pain in the arse
as soon as it goes a bit odd) but simply referencing each 'scene' in the
master clip somehow.

Anyway, after a couple of hours play on Premiere this evening using a 'non
scene detected' clip I'm well impressed with the interface and means of
editing and don't think that scene detection would add anything or save
time. I've been using a trial of Premiere Pro but I'm assuming that the
interface will be similar to Premiere Elements (which I'll download to try
tommorrow).

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:33:10 GMT, Tony Morgan
allegedly wrote:

In message , Dave R
writes
Perhaps you're an old hat stuck in his merry ways? Or maybe you're
just too "Pro" for us. It's a small wonder you came back here from
your pro newsgroup. What happened there?

Notice the colons in Jerry's nick? He gets himself into so many
kill-files that the only way he can get himself heard is by adding a
colon at one end or the other :-)

Still going on about that eh Tony? Smiley or no smiley. Twice in the past
you accused Jerry of changing his "nick", and twice I called you up on it.
Both times you went quiet and never offered an apology for your false
accusation.

In message , Dave R
writes
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:33:10 GMT, Tony Morgan
allegedly wrote:

In message , Dave R
writes
Perhaps you're an old hat stuck in his merry ways? Or maybe you're
just too "Pro" for us. It's a small wonder you came back here from
your pro newsgroup. What happened there?

Notice the colons in Jerry's nick? He gets himself into so many
kill-files that the only way he can get himself heard is by adding a
colon at one end or the other :-)

Still going on about that eh Tony? Smiley or no smiley. Twice in the past
you accused Jerry of changing his "nick", and twice I called you up on it.
Both times you went quiet and never offered an apology for your false
accusation.

It is NOT a false accusation, so doesn't warrant an apology. His posts
(with increasing numbers of colons in his nic) can be found by Googling
on this newsgroup.

--
Tony Morgan
http://www.rhylonline.com