I am looking to replace my Sony PC110E with a 3CCD professional camcorder
and have found 3 options so far:

Sony VX2000
Canon XL1S
Canon XM-2

Anyone care to share their experiences on any of the above? I think the XL1S
is the one most people are using or have used in the past as it is the one I
have saw being used by Ben Dover (I think...) but still keen to know anyones
thoughts on them - mostly will be used for indoors use and would like a
decent optical zoom as well, anything else I should be looking out for?
There is a considerable price difference between the XL1S and the XM2, can
anyone point out the differences in laymans terms?

Finally anyone recommend somewhere to buy them from bar the usual suspects
like Jessops or anyone got one for sale?

Thanks

Jason
(remove spam trap to reply)

I think you will find most of Ben Dover's stuff was shot on Sony gear. PD150
VX1000 and 2000 :-)

I have an XL1s and it's a good camera, but has a few annoying things, the
lack of good audio connections is one of them and the poor weight
distribution giving the camera a very front heavy feel is another, on the
plus side you can change the lenses and view finder for more professional
types, however when you have done that, your camera will cost around as much
as a full size professional job!

I would steer clear of the XM-2 none of my friends have a good word to say
about it.including Ben Dover's ex camera-man
I would consider the Sony PD150, XL1s and the VX2000 probably in that order,
I don't know what type of stuff you shoot, but if you want to shoot stuff
like Ben Dover I would look at the VX2000,
By the way none of the cameras you mentioned are 'professional', and you
might have trouble selling the material to the TV stations if thats what you
are trying to do.
I got my XL1s on the web from www.WebElectricals.co.uk service was good and
quick.



"Jason" wrote in message
...
I am looking to replace my Sony PC110E with a 3CCD professional camcorder
and have found 3 options so far:

Sony VX2000
Canon XL1S
Canon XM-2

Anyone care to share their experiences on any of the above? I think the
XL1S
is the one most people are using or have used in the past as it is the one
I
have saw being used by Ben Dover (I think...) but still keen to know
anyones
thoughts on them - mostly will be used for indoors use and would like a
decent optical zoom as well, anything else I should be looking out for?
There is a considerable price difference between the XL1S and the XM2, can
anyone point out the differences in laymans terms?

Finally anyone recommend somewhere to buy them from bar the usual suspects
like Jessops or anyone got one for sale?

Thanks

Jason
(remove spam trap to reply)

told ya I knew nothing about this!

What cameras would be classed as professional or as near as then? This is
for the adult industry BTW

Jason


"Headrush Films" . wrote in message
...
I think you will find most of Ben Dover's stuff was shot on Sony gear.
PD150
VX1000 and 2000 :-)

I have an XL1s and it's a good camera, but has a few annoying things, the
lack of good audio connections is one of them and the poor weight
distribution giving the camera a very front heavy feel is another, on the
plus side you can change the lenses and view finder for more professional
types, however when you have done that, your camera will cost around as
much
as a full size professional job!

I would steer clear of the XM-2 none of my friends have a good word to say
about it.including Ben Dover's ex camera-man
I would consider the Sony PD150, XL1s and the VX2000 probably in that
order,
I don't know what type of stuff you shoot, but if you want to shoot stuff
like Ben Dover I would look at the VX2000,
By the way none of the cameras you mentioned are 'professional', and you
might have trouble selling the material to the TV stations if thats what
you
are trying to do.
I got my XL1s on the web from www.WebElectricals.co.uk service was good
and
quick.



"Jason" wrote in message
...
I am looking to replace my Sony PC110E with a 3CCD professional
camcorder
and have found 3 options so far:

Sony VX2000
Canon XL1S
Canon XM-2

Anyone care to share their experiences on any of the above? I think the
XL1S
is the one most people are using or have used in the past as it is the
one
I
have saw being used by Ben Dover (I think...) but still keen to know
anyones
thoughts on them - mostly will be used for indoors use and would like a
decent optical zoom as well, anything else I should be looking out for?
There is a considerable price difference between the XL1S and the XM2,
can
anyone point out the differences in laymans terms?

Finally anyone recommend somewhere to buy them from bar the usual
suspects
like Jessops or anyone got one for sale?

Thanks

Jason
(remove spam trap to reply)

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 09:43:38 +0100, "Jason"
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What cameras would be classed as professional or as near as then? This is
for the adult industry BTW

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"Headrush Films" . wrote in message
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"Jason" wrote in message
.. .
told ya I knew nothing about this!

What cameras would be classed as professional or as near as then? This
is
for the adult industry BTW

Jason


Jason most of the guys in the adult industry use PD150 and a few like us
use
XL1s's
The true professional gear is not really any good for the adult industry
unless you are shooting in a TV studio, with cranes and studio pedestals,
the camera gear is just too big and clumsy for shooting in most houses,
cars
and the back of the trucks.:-) The way most of us work is by shooting on
prosumer gear and then spend a lot of time and effort making sure the
signals are in spec. they also shoot a lot of tape and edit out the crap,
much more than any light drama crew would.


So why can you use just a (dockable) camera front end and a separate
(portable) VTR [1] for example. If they can produce (ITV's) 'The Bill' in
that way I'm sure people making your sort of production can...

[1] via the 26 pin.

"Jerry." wrote:

So why can you use just a (dockable) camera front end and a separate
(portable) VTR [1] for example. If they can produce (ITV's) 'The Bill' in
that way I'm sure people making your sort of production can...

I've never made an adult film but I've watched a few in my time (hope the
wife isn't lurking) and I could see why they'd prefer a PD150 to a dockable
head. Much more manoeuvrable for those, um, tight shots. You could also
consider the new Panasonic DVX100.

Darcy O¹Bree
Digital Media Studios Manager
Staffordshire University

http://www.staffs.ac.uk/directory/vi...person_id=1320
http://www.staffs.ac.uk/vrtour/stoke/media/

"Darcy O'Bree" wrote in message
...
"Jerry." wrote:

So why can you use just a (dockable) camera front end and a separate
(portable) VTR [1] for example. If they can produce (ITV's) 'The Bill'
in
that way I'm sure people making your sort of production can...

I've never made an adult film but I've watched a few in my time (hope the
snip

All in the name of professional critical appraisals of course..... ! :~)

So why can you use just a (dockable) camera front end and a separate
(portable) VTR [1] for example. If they can produce (ITV's) 'The Bill' in
that way I'm sure people making your sort of production can...

[1] via the 26 pin.

Simply it would be a nightmare with all the cables, imagine three cameras is
a small room (most rooms are small with a crew of seven + the actors)
it's bad enough with just the boom & shotgun mic cables.

Drama like "The Bill" is filmed in a very different way, each shot is only
10 to 20 seconds, set up then shot! normally on only one camrera.
Adult stuff tends to be shot in much longer sections, often several minuets.
In adult stuff the actors can't switch on and off like in drama, you can't
say to the male star "sorry mate there was a cable in the way can you do
that shot again *wink* I'm sure you understand!

Adult stuff tends to be shot in much longer sections, often several
minuets.
sorry about the spelling *grin* I think I meant minutes

"Headrush Films" . wrote in message
news

snip
Adult stuff tends to be shot in much longer sections, often several
minuets.
In adult stuff the actors can't switch on and off like in drama, you can't
say to the male star "sorry mate there was a cable in the way can you do
that shot again *wink* I'm sure you understand!


Well yes I can see were you are / coming / from, some re-takes could cause a
logistical problem if not / re organising / !

I'll get my coat....... :~)